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OK. Going off topic here, but I’d like to get something off of my chest regarding the whole Meg/Brian thing in this episode.
I’m a Christian. The Meg plot line bothered me only because I have just recently come to realize that many (most?) atheists look at Meg’s born again behavior as representing what Christianity is about. It does not represent how Christians are supposed to behave, although there are indeed many who do (and those Christians do deserve to be ridiculed by cartoon dogs). I’m just sick of seeing the comedy shows that I love and adore presenting only the ugly behaviors of some (well ok, many) Christians. But as I said, that is not what the religion nor the doctrine is about.
Wil, you’re awesome, and sorry for using your blog as a soapbox.
Robvs,
How come you focus on Meg, who was obviously written as an extremist for laughs, and yet ignore the rest of the Griffen family, and their more moderate normal version of christianity?
I think it’s quite telling that some believers who have a visceral negative reaction to Meg’s fundamentalist portrayal, ignore the more numerous and mainstream christians in the family and on the show.
Rage, at a cartoon?? Perhaps you should burn a book to feel better.
I didn’t even know this was going to be on the air, and was flipping through the channels while it was on. Holy crap, I laughed so hard I just about cried and peed a little.
Thought so (well, except for Dorn). And, after reading some of the other comments, I realized where I’d heard the dialogue between you and Patrick at McD’s before. “Caddyshack” FTMFW!
It was pretty frickin’ awesome! The McDonald’s drive thru scene was priceless.
OMFG!!! What an amazing show!!! I was so excited to “see” you, and everyone else, too.
AAHHHH TNG LOVE!!!
I was disappointed that the previews showed almost every single second of footage in the episode. I don’t think I would have felt let down if I hadn’t seen it all already. Why wasn’t the TNG story the A story? Why bring all of you together to reduce it to a B story? It could have been so much more.
Don’t get me wrong: it was funny, and I loved it. But boo to previews that give it all away, and boo to it being too short.
Kelly
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Family Guy is an equal opportunity offender. Christianity was the focus this week, but have you seen other episodes? Every religion gets its turn.
Great episode. The best episode in a while. Love the Drive-Thru routine.
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Two things: It bothered me a little (OK – a lot) that Whil Whheaton ordered a hamburger instead of a veggie burger, but then, I don’t know the reasons for your vegetarianism. I know, it’s only a cartoon, it wasn’t a real burger for goodness’ sakes! But if you’re an ethical vegetarian, it kind of gives the wrong idea… I’m just saying!
Also, the whole atheist/Christian thing: as a (mostly) Catholic, it didn’t bother me at all that there was an atheist character on the show. What did bother me was that Meg turned into one of those crazy Christians, and that people tend to assume (I think) that all Christians are like that. Believe me, we’re not. Heck, I’ve read “A Brief History of Time” multiple times myself! If someone doesn’t believe in God, that’s fine with me. Just don’t act like you’re so cool, looking down on us nerdy Christians, you know? Again – I *know* it was a cartoon, but if it bothers me, it bothers me, and if that bothers YOU (meaning in general), well, that’s too bad.
-Alicia (@aliciawag)
WHil WHeaton or McDLT….I’m not sure which cracked me up more. I LOVED the McDLT and have had similar conversations myself.
Fantastic episode. It’s really too bad the cast wasn’t together for the recording. It seems like something that would’ve been super crazy fun. But I guess that’s the nature of voice recording over traditional acting.
Good stuff Wil, or should I say…WHil?
Editing to add: http://www.hulu.com/watch/64995/family-guy-not-all-dogs-go-to-heaven
Har har. No need to burn a book, because they’re always better when read and considered. I keep my Hawking next to my C.S. Lewis, thanks. So perhaps using “rage” was a bit hyperbolic, but I still left the episode upset. Mr. MacFarlane is a taste-maker, and usually a quick and insightful one. When one adds up the viewers he receives through various outlets (Fox, Adult Swim, Hulu, et al.), he commands one of the biggest audiences in television. Think of his influence as The Simpsons at the top; when they were at their prime, their guests included Dr. Steven Jay Gould, and topics eventually drifted towards faith and how it applies to the human experience. Even Lisa, the resident skeptic, spent time evaluating religion and investigating Buddhism.
Mr. MacFarlane, for all his usual excellence, screwed up here. There was no one to root for, and there was no real debate. On one side you had the Cameron-Cult, a group so loony it doesn’t even call itself Christianity anymore. (It goes by “The Way of the Master,” if you can believe it.) On the other side you had a bloviating, self-righteous Atheist drunkard who uses casual misogyny to talk his way out of the argument. I came to see the much-hyped guests on the show, and I would have been happy if the A-Plot had been a bit more intelligent. As it was, I received two minutes of fun, and twenty of a shouting match where I thought both parties were equally wrong.
MUST go find episode!!! Annoyed I am in the UK!
This was an awesome episode! So great to see the cast in on it, and taking it with such great humor. Thanks for the good time!
I had the same thought about the preview being most of what they showed of TNG also; at least they kept Whhil Whheaton for the show. But then, should have figured out that the TNG bit was the B-story from the episode title (Not All Dogs Go To Heaven).
You should be able to find it on Hulu.com or Fox’s website.
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For those who missed it, its available on iTunes. Great episode and I for one enjoyed the religion/atheism stuff as much as the Star Trek bits.
The Trek stuff was priceless, I was REALLY glad to hear everyone’s voices again, haha, and I honestly thought it was even a bit better than any kind of serious or legit television reunion would’ve been. So great.
But allow me a Debbie Downer moment, and this has NOTHING to do with the full on geektasticness of the Trek plot, but I felt a little bit tricked into getting preached to with the other plot. I don’t normally commit the self-promotion faux pas, but I thought it better to link to my further thoughts rather than start complaining on Wheaton’s blog. Elaborated here…
http://ghatf.blogspot.com/
I think it’s a shame that they didn’t spend the entire episode on the TNG cast. You don’t just get the ENTIRE cast to lend their voices and then commit to a side plot about religion, of all things. BAD script choice of you ask me. Which nobody did.
Seth SHOULD apologize, but not to the Cameron wackos or the atheists, but to the rest of us for all the non TNG parts being so not funny. I mean, c’mon, he had the cast of TNG for this episode, and he combines it with THAT? Let South Park do the religion crap, they do it better anyway.
Now, if they had combined the plot lines and had Wil get all Taoist on them and put everyone in their place, including Patrick, THAT would have been funny.
Or have Meg raise Denise from the dead.
I didn’t enjoy it at all except for the few high points with the TNG cast that were all from the show’s preview. I mean, you have the whole cast coming in to do voices… can’t they do more than recycle old Family Guy jokes?
Anyway, I thought you deserved better Wil. much <3.
It was awesome, hilarious, quite possibly my fave episode yet, however not nearly enough Whhil Whheaton for sure. I was expecting a more Star Trekkie episode than the Meg thing (which was still funny, but ya know…)
Anyway, all the Trek parts cracked me up…hilarious stuff!
I was hoping to see the clown sweater though…
Indeed. I was really hoping for more TNG scenes, it seemed like there was a lot of untapped potential for the characters. We can explore the meaning of religion later give us our Star Trek dammit!
Nice to see the TNG cast in an episode of Family Guy. I laughed and thats what counts. Oh the irony….
“The Meg/Brian subplot isn’t about taking down organized religion, its about mocking extremism and pushing social boundaries as far as what is and what isn’t off limits when it comes to comedy. Meg was not converted into prayer and faith, but rather into witch hunts and book burning which are on the extreme fringe of what religion is. And that’s what Family Guy does, it exaggerates in the name of comedy, with everything.
I thought this, as well, and I spent a lot of time last night trying and failing to come up with a way to articulate it. I didn’t think they were mocking Christianity as much as they were mocking blind adherence to extremism.
Too much Meg (as Peter himself admitted with the remote), too little TNG and Whil Wheaton. Perhaps some additional deleted scenes will be in a DVD release. Poor Denise getting killed early on by Stewie was priceless.
And always squeeze out your sponges.
I recall that there was more to the TNG and Stewie story, but I don’t remember specifically what. I think that his irritation with all of us was more of a slow burn, and he ended up taking us on a field trip to the bowling alley because we were annoying the hell out of him in his room.
I think there was more with me and the crane game, but I can’t remember exactly what it was.
One of the biggest TNG fans out there (including Wesley Crusher), but this was mega lame; just a sliver of random stupidness folded into a prototypical leftist religion hater fest.
I see my boycotting of the show after the hater-filled Nazi reference to McCain/Palin was well deserved. I only wish I had my 22 minutes back…
I was referring to the “Whil Whheaton” bit. I thought that was one of the funniest things I’ve ever been part of. In the original script, it went on even longer than it did in the final cut.
Honestly? I could watch a whole series based on Stewie and the TNG cast. That was great! There wasn’t a single “character” I didn’t want more of in that episode.
I just realized I have made a stereotypical fanboy post. Great.
Wow! What a relief!
See, Richard Dawkins came to Oklahoma last month. The OK state legislature tried to ban him from the state, and chastised the University of Oklahoma for indoctrinating students with godless evilution.
Now the OK legislature is investigating Dawkins visit, trying to smoke out WHO invited him, WHO paid for his visit, WHO attended, and EXACTLY how much time professors spent promoting Dawkins lecture.
And just last week, I was invited to discuss evilution to a local church that teaches Young Earth Creationism (the universe is 6,000 years old). I am getting my PhD in retroviral evolution, trying to cure HIV/AIDS and cancer, but they dismissed everything I told them with ‘Well, we cant believe anything you say, because youre an ATHEIST!’
What a relief that these people I encounter every day of my life are just straw-men caricatures of Christianity and dont really exist! *WHEW!*
I dunno how many “dittoes” you can stand, but here’s my two cents worth. The show was brilliant and TNG should have been the entire episode. When Stewie squeed about Patrick Stewart saying “Make it so” my own squee-o-meter went off!
I can’t believe there are Christians complaining about being made fun of in this episode sub-plot. PLEASE! It was extremism being lambasted, not belief. If your church is still burning books, then it should be checked for cult status.
Larry the Cuke quote? You are CLEARLY a being of higher intelligence! Touche’ for working that in!
I thought the part with Rob and Adam was hilarious. It was preceded by Brian’s statement that the real answer to our existence is even more magically amazing than we can possibly conceive — like Rob Lowe and Adam West being big movie stars!!!
OOOH! Raising Denise would have been FUNNY! Good call!
There is only one thing about TNG I did not like: Denise Crosby as Tasha Yar. For me, she sucked the life out of the show. Until now, my happiest moment was when Tasha was killed.
Then, I saw her on Stewie’s transporter, and thought “What. The. F@*k?”
Thank you, Stewie, for restoring my faith in you, Seth, and TNG 🙂 And was that a Ferengi blaster???
This episode was teh awesome! I too, would have liked to see more TNG stuff, but it was classic Family Guy. My favorite has to be the pokes at William Shatner. I have to wonder if he was asked to participate, and turned them down…
Congrats, hWil.
Great TNG parts… loved it! But is there any reason they didn’t draw your character with a beard?
McFarlane doesn’t have any obligation to make anyone happy. He pretty much bashes everyone on this show. You have every right to hate it, and boycott it. Just as he has every right to present his own views. You are offended by the anti-zealot subplot, but the suggestion of “blacks vs. whites” bowling teams doesn’t affect you?
This is a cartoon. It’s comedy, and parody. The moment you take it seriously and take offense at anything mentioned in the show, you miss the point.
Honestly, if you are going to take it seriously, then the thing that should annoy you the most was Meg’s insistence on pushing her beliefs on everyone else: “my way is the only right way, and I’m going to shove it down your throat until you succumb to my beliefs!”
Lighten up. It’s just an animated show intended to make you laugh.
That was completely AWESOME! I can’t really decide on my favorite part, but I think animated you hugging the teddy at the end made me laugh the hardest. That and Spiner. 🙂
Oh, the convention questions were priceless (and TNG useless)!
I found the most remarkable thing was the TNG group’s DETACHMENT from TNG subjects. They rarely ever talked WITH one another, but AT each other (and each in their own little world).
Wil, you were slapped in the head so often, you now qualify to join the team at NCIS.
[Odd… I don’t remember “Worf” (or anyone ELSE for that matter) ever saying that he needed to go to the bathroom on the Enterprise. Sonic showers, yes. Wash basins, yes. Toilets…fuggeddaboutitt!]
Whell done Whil! *slap*
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Ahh. I must have missed that bit of dialogue from Brian. Thanks for the clarification.
Freaking awesome. Glad you had several parts in the script. The only thing they were missing was Jonathan singing at a piano or something.
I seriously laughed my ass off. I have no ass. And it was worth it.
I’m officially done with Family Guy now. Between the 2+ minute Conway Twitty bit in the Juice Is Loose and the squandered potential from last night’s episode, it has jumped the shark for me. It is really sad. I’m one of the people that bought the DVD set when it was canceled the first time, and was so glad to hear it was coming back, and now I can’t wait for it to be replaced by something better. When you get a once in a lifetime thing like the whole cast of TNG together, you focus the episode on that. But Seth instead decided to waste at least half the show on something completely unrelated. And no, I wasn’t offended at religion bit, as I’m an Atheist.
I just thought that whole bit was such a waste. Sure the bits with the cast were good, but since very nearly all of it was shown on the trailer, there was no reason for me to watch the show. I want my 30 minutes back, Seth! We should have seen interactions between TNG cast and the other people in the house. So much wasted potential. I used to expect more from Family Guy, but now I expect so little it isn’t worth my time to watch it. I hope American Dad doesn’t fail as quickly.
It’s also available on Hulu now… and no need to pay for it on iTunes 🙂
http://www.hulu.com/watch/64995/family-guy-not-all-dogs-go-to-heaven
…Or Jonathan breaking out the Trombone and Marina grabbing it and “breaking up” the Trombone.
It’s a cartoon, and Family Guy is all about irony. Wil’s fans would appreciate the irony of him ordering a burger, especially as enthusiastically as he did.
Trekkies also call themselves “Trekkers.” Yet, the poster at the convention said “Welcome Trekkies!” Irony at its best, and a way for Seth to poke fun at Trek fans.
I’m willing to bet that Seth and Wil had a conversation that went something like this:
“Um, Seth, you know I’m a vegetarian, right?”
“Sure do, Hwil, that’s why the line’s so funny. When you deliver it, try to be as enthusiastic as possible.”
“Of course, excellent! How’s this? Ahem. I want a hamburger–no, I want a cheeseburger, I want a hot dog, and a milkshake…”
“Perfect!”
Yeah. I’m sure that’s exactly how it went…
Hi Wil,
I know this is a loaded question.
Wasnt there another cast member that left that isnt in that picture?
Bottom line it’s a compliment to you.
I wasn’t wearing my beard full-time when we recorded the episode.