You know with all of this politico talk…I was wondering.
Wil, I can remember seeing you on Arsenio Hall during the TNG days, and he was kind of ripping you for spending your weekends Apple Talking your computers with your buddies, man you were high tech, I was still on my Commodore 64, my cousin had the Vic-20, anyway, like you shoulda been out getting stoned and laid, and I remember thinking, “Arsenio is an asshole” but I also remember thinking, “Wheaton is the next President of the Young Republican’s Club” LOL
Dude WarGames was on last night, awesome, I was so inspired by that movie!
Nicely understated, Wil. What a wonderful moment for America.
To Joe Siegler–I don’t understand, why do you insist that naivete is any more prevalent among Obama supporters than anyone else’s? Who said we have to bow down, who said everything will be fine now? Don’t blame Obama or any of his supporters because you spoke to someone or read something that breaks this election down into such simple-minded terms. I’m so sick of Obama critics calling his supporters by all kinds of cutesie names and accusing them of being “bots” that don’t give any thought to what they’re doing. The people that comfort themselves with that notion are the ones who are delusional. Maybe, as someone who plans to vote for Obama, you should get out there and help educate whoever it is you’ve been talking to and help them understand why it is you like Obama so much.
I voted democrat for the first time in my life in these primaries. It’ll be two in November.
Although I may disagree on some ideological points I really believe Obama is our nations best chance at really taking the steps that need taken now.
His speech last night said it all.
“We are Americans first”
At least this poster doesn’t look like it came out of the Communist Chinese school of iconography! My wife ordered a copy of Senator Clinton’s poster, and it arrived one day before Senator Obama clinched the nomination. My daughter-the-artist took one look and said, “I didn’t know she was Chinese!”
“McCain will keep us in Iraq for years.”
And so will Obama. We made the mess (yes, we, the USA) and we need to clean it up. Things are bad now. How much worse would they be for the USA, iamge wise, if we just bailed on Iraq and let it turn into a seething cesspit of anarchy? If you think Iraq would turn into some sort of happy love-in you’re just naieve.
No, we’re stuck there. W was a ‘tard and got us there but now it’s up to the next guy to clean it up.
A good leader will be able to both help Iraq get going as a unified nation AND get most of our troops home. Hopefully Mr Obama will solicit real advice from the Joint Chiefs and not demand that sunchaine and puppy dogs be the only acceptable advice like W.
Bill for veep.
I think the real question is, is America -mostly in the vast knowledge deprived areas between CA and NY known as the “bible belt”- ready for a thinking president?
Happy to be part of the Obama Posse, I am!
I thought the press had learned their lesson with the run-up to the Iraq War.
It’s sad to see that there’s not a journalist in America willing to ask any of the candidates tough questions about anything.
What a great year to be a fiscal conservative voter! Our choices are a socialist, a communist, and a liberal. Well, just a socialist and a liberal now that Hillary’s out, I suppose.
Tanin,
That comment is completely ignorant and insulting. Do you really believe that “knowledge” is the exclusive property of California and New York? If so, I am sorry that you know so little about this nation.
I really don’t think the red-baiting does any good for the discussion. Our Right is so far Right that our democrats could only be elected as conservatives in any decent country in Europe so “socialists” they’re not.
However, I do have grave misgivings about Obama. People want to compare to JFK so let’s. At the time he was elected President, JFK had served 6 years in the House and 8 years in the Senate (14 years of national experience), had served 4 years in the military at war time and had won a Pulitzer Prize for a book that was, oddly enough, not about himself, Profiles in Courage (although it was later discovered to be partially ghost written).
Although Obama spent 7 years in the IL state senate, he’s only had 3 years experience in the US Senate (3 years of national experience). He never served in the armed forces and his two books are mostly about, well, himself in one way or another. According to people I sometimes hang out with here in DC, the main purpose of his biography (he’s 46!) was to air out his drug use.
Meh, I’m underwhelmed. I’m not sure Kennedy is a good comparison anyway but people keep trotting it out, including the Kennedys. I think that under the kind of unforeseen circumstances that Carter experienced during his presidency, we could very well see a repeat of the Carter administration. I think Carter would have otherwise been a very good post-Watergate president. But I don’t think Obama even measures up to Carter.
If you really look at what Obama has done and how he’s operated, nothing convinces me that he’s anything special as far as politicians are concerned. Don’t accept money from lobbyists but accept it from their wives. Yeah, that takes conviction.
But the truly new and amazing turn in the spectacle is in the analysis of Obama’s faults and what kind of VP he should select. One article in the NYT suggested that he pick a republican (!) because McCain has actually done the *hard* bipartisan work that Obama only talks about (note the emphasis on *hard* not aid or weapon bans). McCain has crossed the line so many times that the truly conservative of the Republican party doesn’t trust him. The same cannot be said for Obama.
Another potential VP was suggested because, well, Obama hasn’t actually managed anything. It was suggested that he needs a “COO” VP so that he can just be “visionary”. WTF? Statements like these–taken with Obama’s own religious statements–make me wonder if we’re electing the Preacher in Chief instead of President. Is this why we haven’t elected a Senator to President since Kennedy?
Another interesting turn was when a pundit said, well, now that the primaries are over, it’s time to actually find out what Obama’s *concrete* policies are going to be. Orly? Now is the time? Like perhaps we shouldn’t have found out what his *concrete* policies were going to be before he was nominated?
If you look at the grand chain of events, we have a sex scandal in IL that forces the much favored Republican candidate out of the race that leads to Obama’s US Senate win in 2004, and with 3 years job training, he’s the presidential nominee of the Democratic party. There’s just something really odd about that. Almost as odd as how George II became president the first time (the second time isn’t odd, it’s just downright confounding).
I don’t know who to fault for giving us these dismal choices. I would feel better voting for Obama if Clinton or Gen. Clark were VP candidates. Appoint Bill to take Hillary’s place in the Senate.
But what I really want to know is, is it over yet? Haven’t all of these people already been President?
I think what we really need is a little box we can put a check on this November labeled “None of the Above” so we can give our vote of “No Confidence” wouldn’t that be sweet? To hell with the voting for the lesser of the two evils. I personally would like the option of saying, Hey they’re both a couple assholes.
I hear ya on the G.W. 1st term, but I always ask my Gore supporting buddies, what would you be saying today, if the court ruled in favor of Gore? No my friend, the courts don’t need to get tangled in elections, the person that loses is never gonna get over it, and we all know how the story goes from there. Future candidates should take a lesson from Kerry and Nixon, and be a man and just walk away. Speaking of Kerry, it seemed like the perfect opportunity to run again, having garnered nearly 50 million votes last time out, though honestly I don’t really care for the blue blooded country club types…I think maybe Hilary and company punked him out consideration. 🙂 Ha! Now she’s trying to punk Obama into letting her onto his ticket? LOL geewiz…well, we’ll see what hen can peck harder, I suspect his wife will win that contest. 🙂
You know, I just don’t buy the argument of “Lacking experience” for many reasons, 1 being that there is a permanent staff that trains all new congressmen, senators, and presidents. 2 if you haven’t been in D.C. that long then you obviously don’t have much experience running deficits, national debt, unfair trade agreements, multiple war campaigns, taking money from foreign interests, policing the world, creating child obesity problems with school lunch programs that include Taco Bell, Little Caesars, and McD’s, blah blah…etc. etc.
I like the original idea, that you volunteered to serve…and then you went home after your term was up. That’s how we used to run it here. Nothing will ever “Change” as long as people aspire to be career politicians. Does anyone have the nads to re-implement the Monroe Doctrine? Maybe, if our civil servants were volunteers, then the bulk of these would come from the general population, and how many of them have a son or daughter or niece or nephew serving today? Not likely they would want to send their family off to tangle in foreign affairs. Would the average American be willing to pawn off our energy needs onto a foreign country, and threaten to sue or invade when that country doesn’t increase the supply? You know this country had an incredible amount of success when they relied on themselves, where do you think that old adage “Can do” came from? Anyway, the current class of folk that is currently occupying the legislative and executive branches would have no cause to serve, and even if they did, they would be gone in just a few short years.
You know with all of this politico talk…I was wondering.
Wil, I can remember seeing you on Arsenio Hall during the TNG days, and he was kind of ripping you for spending your weekends Apple Talking your computers with your buddies, man you were high tech, I was still on my Commodore 64, my cousin had the Vic-20, anyway, like you shoulda been out getting stoned and laid, and I remember thinking, “Arsenio is an asshole” but I also remember thinking, “Wheaton is the next President of the Young Republican’s Club” LOL
Dude WarGames was on last night, awesome, I was so inspired by that movie!
Nicely understated, Wil. What a wonderful moment for America.
To Joe Siegler–I don’t understand, why do you insist that naivete is any more prevalent among Obama supporters than anyone else’s? Who said we have to bow down, who said everything will be fine now? Don’t blame Obama or any of his supporters because you spoke to someone or read something that breaks this election down into such simple-minded terms. I’m so sick of Obama critics calling his supporters by all kinds of cutesie names and accusing them of being “bots” that don’t give any thought to what they’re doing. The people that comfort themselves with that notion are the ones who are delusional. Maybe, as someone who plans to vote for Obama, you should get out there and help educate whoever it is you’ve been talking to and help them understand why it is you like Obama so much.
I voted democrat for the first time in my life in these primaries. It’ll be two in November.
Although I may disagree on some ideological points I really believe Obama is our nations best chance at really taking the steps that need taken now.
His speech last night said it all.
“We are Americans first”
At least this poster doesn’t look like it came out of the Communist Chinese school of iconography! My wife ordered a copy of Senator Clinton’s poster, and it arrived one day before Senator Obama clinched the nomination. My daughter-the-artist took one look and said, “I didn’t know she was Chinese!”
“McCain will keep us in Iraq for years.”
And so will Obama. We made the mess (yes, we, the USA) and we need to clean it up. Things are bad now. How much worse would they be for the USA, iamge wise, if we just bailed on Iraq and let it turn into a seething cesspit of anarchy? If you think Iraq would turn into some sort of happy love-in you’re just naieve.
No, we’re stuck there. W was a ‘tard and got us there but now it’s up to the next guy to clean it up.
A good leader will be able to both help Iraq get going as a unified nation AND get most of our troops home. Hopefully Mr Obama will solicit real advice from the Joint Chiefs and not demand that sunchaine and puppy dogs be the only acceptable advice like W.
Bill for veep.
I think the real question is, is America -mostly in the vast knowledge deprived areas between CA and NY known as the “bible belt”- ready for a thinking president?
Happy to be part of the Obama Posse, I am!
I thought the press had learned their lesson with the run-up to the Iraq War.
It’s sad to see that there’s not a journalist in America willing to ask any of the candidates tough questions about anything.
What a great year to be a fiscal conservative voter! Our choices are a socialist, a communist, and a liberal. Well, just a socialist and a liberal now that Hillary’s out, I suppose.
Tanin,
That comment is completely ignorant and insulting. Do you really believe that “knowledge” is the exclusive property of California and New York? If so, I am sorry that you know so little about this nation.
I really don’t think the red-baiting does any good for the discussion. Our Right is so far Right that our democrats could only be elected as conservatives in any decent country in Europe so “socialists” they’re not.
However, I do have grave misgivings about Obama. People want to compare to JFK so let’s. At the time he was elected President, JFK had served 6 years in the House and 8 years in the Senate (14 years of national experience), had served 4 years in the military at war time and had won a Pulitzer Prize for a book that was, oddly enough, not about himself, Profiles in Courage (although it was later discovered to be partially ghost written).
Although Obama spent 7 years in the IL state senate, he’s only had 3 years experience in the US Senate (3 years of national experience). He never served in the armed forces and his two books are mostly about, well, himself in one way or another. According to people I sometimes hang out with here in DC, the main purpose of his biography (he’s 46!) was to air out his drug use.
Meh, I’m underwhelmed. I’m not sure Kennedy is a good comparison anyway but people keep trotting it out, including the Kennedys. I think that under the kind of unforeseen circumstances that Carter experienced during his presidency, we could very well see a repeat of the Carter administration. I think Carter would have otherwise been a very good post-Watergate president. But I don’t think Obama even measures up to Carter.
If you really look at what Obama has done and how he’s operated, nothing convinces me that he’s anything special as far as politicians are concerned. Don’t accept money from lobbyists but accept it from their wives. Yeah, that takes conviction.
But the truly new and amazing turn in the spectacle is in the analysis of Obama’s faults and what kind of VP he should select. One article in the NYT suggested that he pick a republican (!) because McCain has actually done the *hard* bipartisan work that Obama only talks about (note the emphasis on *hard* not aid or weapon bans). McCain has crossed the line so many times that the truly conservative of the Republican party doesn’t trust him. The same cannot be said for Obama.
Another potential VP was suggested because, well, Obama hasn’t actually managed anything. It was suggested that he needs a “COO” VP so that he can just be “visionary”. WTF? Statements like these–taken with Obama’s own religious statements–make me wonder if we’re electing the Preacher in Chief instead of President. Is this why we haven’t elected a Senator to President since Kennedy?
Another interesting turn was when a pundit said, well, now that the primaries are over, it’s time to actually find out what Obama’s *concrete* policies are going to be. Orly? Now is the time? Like perhaps we shouldn’t have found out what his *concrete* policies were going to be before he was nominated?
If you look at the grand chain of events, we have a sex scandal in IL that forces the much favored Republican candidate out of the race that leads to Obama’s US Senate win in 2004, and with 3 years job training, he’s the presidential nominee of the Democratic party. There’s just something really odd about that. Almost as odd as how George II became president the first time (the second time isn’t odd, it’s just downright confounding).
I don’t know who to fault for giving us these dismal choices. I would feel better voting for Obama if Clinton or Gen. Clark were VP candidates. Appoint Bill to take Hillary’s place in the Senate.
But what I really want to know is, is it over yet? Haven’t all of these people already been President?
I think what we really need is a little box we can put a check on this November labeled “None of the Above” so we can give our vote of “No Confidence” wouldn’t that be sweet? To hell with the voting for the lesser of the two evils. I personally would like the option of saying, Hey they’re both a couple assholes.
I hear ya on the G.W. 1st term, but I always ask my Gore supporting buddies, what would you be saying today, if the court ruled in favor of Gore? No my friend, the courts don’t need to get tangled in elections, the person that loses is never gonna get over it, and we all know how the story goes from there. Future candidates should take a lesson from Kerry and Nixon, and be a man and just walk away. Speaking of Kerry, it seemed like the perfect opportunity to run again, having garnered nearly 50 million votes last time out, though honestly I don’t really care for the blue blooded country club types…I think maybe Hilary and company punked him out consideration. 🙂 Ha! Now she’s trying to punk Obama into letting her onto his ticket? LOL geewiz…well, we’ll see what hen can peck harder, I suspect his wife will win that contest. 🙂
You know, I just don’t buy the argument of “Lacking experience” for many reasons, 1 being that there is a permanent staff that trains all new congressmen, senators, and presidents. 2 if you haven’t been in D.C. that long then you obviously don’t have much experience running deficits, national debt, unfair trade agreements, multiple war campaigns, taking money from foreign interests, policing the world, creating child obesity problems with school lunch programs that include Taco Bell, Little Caesars, and McD’s, blah blah…etc. etc.
I like the original idea, that you volunteered to serve…and then you went home after your term was up. That’s how we used to run it here. Nothing will ever “Change” as long as people aspire to be career politicians. Does anyone have the nads to re-implement the Monroe Doctrine? Maybe, if our civil servants were volunteers, then the bulk of these would come from the general population, and how many of them have a son or daughter or niece or nephew serving today? Not likely they would want to send their family off to tangle in foreign affairs. Would the average American be willing to pawn off our energy needs onto a foreign country, and threaten to sue or invade when that country doesn’t increase the supply? You know this country had an incredible amount of success when they relied on themselves, where do you think that old adage “Can do” came from? Anyway, the current class of folk that is currently occupying the legislative and executive branches would have no cause to serve, and even if they did, they would be gone in just a few short years.
Two National Review conservatives endorse Obama:
Wick Allison, former publisher of the National Review
http://www.dmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?nm=Core+Pages&type=gen&mod=Core+Pages&tier=3&gid=B33A5C6E2CF04C9596A3EF81822D9F8E
Christopher Buckley, back page columnist for the National Review
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-10/the-conservative-case-for-obama