85 thoughts on “TITANSGRAVE: The Old Chaotic Neutral”

1. As long as they serve it at the Dick and Pickle, I’ll be there!

2. Sounds like a Belgian Tripel to me

   1. I agree, a nice, clean Belgian.

3. I’d vote for a Wit or something similar if I could, but really ANYTHING other than an IPA gets the real nod. 😉

4. I would have gone with a bitter, but of those choices, a stout is always nice.

   1. Whatever it is, it would have to be a double bock.

5. I think it should be a hopped Belgian strong ale. Sitting around 10%, with a month in a barrel. However, the barrel might be hard for a home brew.

6. the beer should hold no alliance to any particular style. old chaotic neutral is whatever beer it wants to be and damn the consequences!

   1. +1. I think it should be flavored with “whatever Wil has in his kitchen at the time.”

      Introducing The Old Chaotic Neutral! A pepper-smoked turkey-allspice-pear-maple-bacon-honey-tuna-kale-parsley pale porter brown stout ale/lager!

7. I think a stout would be a great idea. However, you need to think of a way to introduce the “chaotic” element into it. Maybe an adjunct ingredient that is somewhat unusual? Maybe a hint of chocolate and pepper to give it a mole feel?

   1. +1 on the spiced stout.

8. Kinda needs to be a barleywine or an Imperial Stout. “Old” in the name means keeping beer to me, and puts it into classes along with Old Foghorn and Old Rasputin. If it were me, I’d take my Old Irascible RIS recipe and age it with whiskey and oak.

9. I was stationed in Nuremberg, Germany, back in the early 80’s – and there was a beer there that totally blows away everything else I’ve tried. It was sold in a brown bottle with a white flip-top recloseable lid, and tasted as good warm as it did cold. One of the locals told me that it was brewed in such a way that none of the nutritional value of the ingredients was lost.

   THAT is what “The Old Chaotic Neutral” should be like, IMHO.

   1. Altstadthof Rotbier? Sold in 1 liter bottles in a tavern/shop near the castle? Yeah, that’s pretty special and would fit well.

      1. Honestly, that was a long time ago, and I don’t remember the name. That could be it – but I remember being able to buy it from nearly any convenience store. It was just sitting outside on the ground (well, in 6 or 12 packs, stacked in pallets). But, yes, it was pretty special. I haven’t liked any American beer since I drank it.

         1. nods There were lots more small breweries in Nuremberg in the 80s than there are now so it could have been any of those. The style you describe is typical for the region.
            Randomly, did the Green Goose exist during your time there?

            1. I can’t give you a complete answer to that question. All that I can say for sure is that I didn’t know anyone who was drinking anything by that name – and we drank a LOT.

               I can tell you one more thing about that other beer, though. I remember the local who told me about how it was brewed telling me one other thing – that it had an alcohol content of over 20%. None of that 3.2% stuff we settle for in the US.

            2. The Green Goose was a bar in the Vordere Sterngasse (on the edge of the red light district) frequented mainly by US military types when I moved there but I don’t know when it first opened.
               Wow, that’s impressive. Not sure there were any super strong beers when I was there except EKU 18 but that was sold in small, regular bottles.

10. I voted for stout. And I think it should have the odd combination of chocolate, oatmeal, and cherry.

11. I was thinking along the lines of an aged British barleywine, but with something chaotic thrown in. A hop from each continent, perhaps?

    1. So brown is the closest. Plus we already have w00tstout. Let’s go for something different.

12. I voted for brown. It needs to be something you can drink a lot of, for a proper carouse, without feeling too full but also to have enough body and personality to deserve its name. So brown it is for me 🙂

13. The Old Chaotic Neutral should have the following qualities:

    It doesn’t give a crap about your categorizations. It’s like the Honey Badger.
    It is chaotic and should be complex.
    It should be strong because the life it chooses is violent.

    So I’d go for something like a smoky porter that really hits you in the nose when you drink it but then leaves a smooth aftertaste.

14. Personally anything with old in the name should be a barleywine.

    1. This makes sense.

15. Something made in small batches, released on a limited schedule? It’s either a Barleywine or an Old Ale, obviously.

16. I voted for brown, but whichever style, I agree with the others who’ve suggested something off the wall and crazy to capture that chaotic neutral spirit.

17. To me, a stout screams Chaotic Evil… and I’m a stout drinker…

18. ” it may have a specific goal in mind, but its methods of achieving that goal are often disorganized, unorthodox, or entirely unpredictable.” from the Wikipedia entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#Chaotic_Neutral). So it should be a black pale ale.

19. It should obviously be an IPA.
    Chaotic/Neutral is more of a nice guy that kicks you in the head when he thinks it is appropriate, or will further his goals.

    Most people will probably pick stout because they see the chaotic part of the name. Chaotic/Evil is obviously stout, not Chaotic/Neutral.

    1. 100% agree. That was exactly my reasoning 🙂

20. It needs to be purple. Dark purple.

21. I feel like this has to be some sort of super-strong uberbeer that is going to punch you in the face with flavor and then f*** you up with ABV.

    So what about a smoked imperial stout aged in whiskey barrels, and the crazy stuff is a bit of chili flavor and maybe a hint of sour. Also chocolate, because why not.

    (Note – said beer may not be feasible.)

    1. That’s possible Toby.:-)

22. For some reason I am thinking of Stone’s Arrogant Bastard… That is basically a potion of chaotic neutral.

23. I can’t believe that nobody has mentioned the ONLY possible correct answer to the question: Chaotic Neutral comes in sixpacks of identical opaque unlabeled bottles, each of which contains a totally different beer.

24. Old ales are inherently chaotic neutral. Splash of oats for creaminess, maybe a little woodruff for chaos, but elsewise

25. Is there a place we can see all the great Titansgrave artwork on the web? It goes by so fast in the videos.

26. Chaotic Neutral is, in modern interpretations, indecisive and prone to chance. Whereas, old chaotic neutral was the province of bat-shit crazy.

    The only way to have it left to chance, and a little crazy, is to either make it a wild yeast or a lambic. Anything else would be too controlled, and too intentional.

27. I was just thinking about this the other day. Dry-hopped Barrel-aged barley wine with hints of cocoa.

28. I have read your blog for years, thought of posting many times, yet had little to add until this: For The Old CN I voted stout; however, this stout should be a sour stout. I can think of no better real world beer that would fully embody the “devil may care, but the angel told me it was a good idea” nature of the Chaotic Neutral alignment than the blending of the roasted malty goodness of a stout and the lactic tartness of a sour.

29. You should make 3 different brews and slap the same label on all three. One could be a hoppy IPA, another a brown and the final a stout. It doesn’t get more Chaotic Neutral than that.

30. Another thought: I recently made a Fiery Irish Red – where I added a few roasted, diced scotch bonnets to the boil for the last 10 minutes, and left them in the fermenter for two weeks. End result is a surprisingly drinkable beer, but not something for everyone. I find one pepper per gallon was a nice balance; others might want to scale it back a bit.

    Oh, and since the ingredient that makes peppers hot is the same thing that’s used in tear gas, it’s probably best to roast them outdoors (says the voice of experience).

31. A smoky dark cherry chocolate stout. It has a bit of smoke, a little bitter and a dash of sweet that’s almost hidden but it sneaks up and hits ya with a hammer. Jk.

    Chocolate and cherry go well with thick dark rich stouts. I don’t know about citrus with a stout. Choclate and orange. Idda know. Whaddya guys think?

32. Seriously, chaotic neutral can only be represented with a wild fermentation. If you don’t want that, maybe Brett…

33. Chaotic -> Hoppy brew
    Neutral -> Middle of the light/dark spectrum

    Sounds like an IPA to me.

34. “Chaotic Neutral” makes me think of something oxymoronic, like an imperial lager or a session barleywine.

35. Totally a lambic or sour of some sort.

36. I think a porter as some others have suggested would be a good match for the name, but barring that, a brown would be great. Porter’s more of a winter beer for me, but I can drink browns any time.

37. Just finished Episodes 0 and 1. So much fun! So many imaginations! Thank you for bringing the awesome. As for the suggestion to compile a book (or graphic novel) of the artwork- shut up and take my money!

38. Okay, something chaotic that will make you go, “Stupid! Don’t be silly! Jeez!” Although you won’t in public cause you’re too nice (but totally go for it since it’s majorly unrealistic) ……. the Chaotic Neutral is a pale, thick stout that’s full bodied but leaves an aftertaste of some kind of sweet fruit that doesn’t make a person who drinks it think, “Eeuw! Gross!” Not being a home brewer and not even having the faintest idea how, I always wondered if that’s possible……..

39. I think the idea of the Chaotic Neutral would be like a summery wheat beer, like Shock Top Honeycrisp or Sam Adams Summer, but it would have a hidden flavor kick, like a really sharp spice note or sour note. Maybe one way to do it is a chocolate stout with a chili pepper shot (chocolate and chili pepper is SUCH a good combination, so why not?)

40. Brown…the blend of light and dark

41. That is such a perfect name for a brown. Such an under appreciated beer style, it can be so many different things.

42. Okay, I feel like it really needs to embody the spirit of chaos. The suggestion of brewing three different beers and giving them the same label comes closest so far, but…

    How about a blonde beer flavoured with orphan’s tears and spoons?

    Or a fruit beer made with mysterious forest berries – are they poisonous? Who knows! We’ll find out when we drink it!

    Or a stout made from stoats. And oats. On a boat.

    Or just randomise the whole brewing process. Never the same beer twice!

43. Gotta be something that tastes completely different to different people. What is that ester that some people smell and some completely can’t, based on some gene? Use a lot of stuff like that.

44. First of all: Sorry for my English, its not my primary language.

    Old chaotic neutral HAS to be an old German monk brew (for the neutral part).
    There are a lot of these old style beers where I live dating back over 600 years and were revised and written down in 1516 when the German purity law was written down.
    These beers typically are (bottom fermented) full beers at about 12 to 15% Stammwürze (original wort? Sorry, I am German and do not know the correct English terms) but very very drinkable (süffig in german = quaffable?) even in large quantities, and what is more chaotic than a drunk monk?

45. I think it definitely needs to be a big beer, and based on the name and the reverence with which it’s treated by the clientele at the Pegasus, it should be something rare. It definitely would be no more than an annual release.

    My first thought was something along the lines of a barleywine or an old ale (e.g. North Coast Old Stock Ale or Fuller’s Vintage). Given the four choices above though, I’d go with maybe a Double Brown or Imperial Stout, and definitely barrel-aged.

46. Of the poll options, I’d say The Old Chaotic Neutral would almost have to be a brown ale. If, instead, it turned out to be a bitter, though… I’d probably have one. Or three.

47. what? no love for the IPA?

48. The name implies a beer with high alcohol content (chaotic) while being very smooth(neutral). Stout is generally smoother than a pale ale so by process of elimination, it has to be stout.

49. My fav/signature character is a Chaotic Neutral halfling Bard named Saffron Truefoot, so my only request/suggestion is a bit selfish. Could you maybe add a dash of saffron to the brew? It seems like it’d be a Chaotic type beer element, as I don’t think it’s in a lot of beers.

    Anyways, looking forward to seeing the recipe, however it turns out.

50. Trappist. It’s totally a trappist aged in a nice and peaty Islay Scotch barrel.

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