Kingdom of Rain

It’s fun to watch someone go through a major crisis, even if it’s self-inflicted. Puts things into perspective.
Some thoughts I had last night while listening to the rain bounce off my roof:
Ii have spent each day the past few weeks just inches from tears.
it’s a lot of things: fear and uncertainty about the quality of my book being the biggest, having the sit there and take it while some Rich Fucking Asshole treated me like I was a little kid, stupid computer problems, anne’s ex-husband bullshit, and finally the blog trolls (who I really should have just called assholes, because that’s what they are) and emailers.
Alone, I can deal with any of those things, but together . . . well, it’s just too much to deal with.
But the uncertainty about this book is killing me. I thought I had something really good, and shared it with a few people. Most of them told me it was really good, and gave some constructive feedback. A few of them absolutely ripped it to shreds, and gave me some constructive feedback. The result? I found myself unsure about everything. Unable to trust my instincts. I rewrote major parts to please others, instead of myself, and it left me paralyzed. I’ve since decided to just let it go. I’ll finish some grammatical and spelling corrections, complete a few tiny changes where I want to add more information, and publish the damn thing.
I’m scared. I’m scared that it’s not as good as I thought. I’m scared that it’s better than I thought.
My mom told me that I was in the middle of “vast uncharted territory” and that it was okay to be afraid. I’m not so sure.
I shouldn’t have posted my “I’m leaving, here’s why, okay now I’m back but I’m really leaving and I hate you” post. What I should have said is, “I’m overwhelmed with several things in my life, and writing for WWDN isn’t bringing me any joy right now. As a matter of fact, it’s sort of a chore, so I’m taking some time off.” What I posted gives way too much power and importance to a very small group of people who I should really just feel sorry for.
But I’d be lying if I said it didn’t make me feel just a tiny bit better to hear from people who actually SUPPORT me for a change. And Ben sent me a nice cartoon.
Note to self: don’t post when emotional.
And you know what else? I am profoundly upset about war, dreams of war, and the Bush Junta. Patriot II? How the fuck did this happen? How did we, as a culture, sit back and put these people in charge?
And these “Terror alerts?” Does anyone believe them? Did you guys read about the “suspected terrorist” in SF Bay? Some tug boat captain suggests that he saw someone in an unlit Zodiac raft at 3AM, wearing a wetsuit. That’s it.
The CG looked everywhere for this boat and its alleged terrorist, and found NOTHING.
But it’s all over the news, because WE ARE ON ALERT!!1!!11!
What happened to critical thinking? Are the American people so soporific that they can’t see this bullshit for what it is?
And now we’re supposed to believe that Osama Bin Laden is JOINING FORCES WITH SADDAM?
What?!
The timing on this is all too pat for me, and I wonder where the fuck the critical voices are who should be questioning this stuff. Where are the other voices in this vast wilderness? Isn’t anyone willing to speak up?
We are marching directly into a war, though there is massive public resistance to it.
We are marching directly into a war, and the media, the supposed 4th estate, isn’t doing ANYTHING to keep people informed — they’re just propagandizing for the Bush Junta.
We are marching directly into a war, though the rest of the world wishes we’d just mind our ouw stinking business.
And nobody seems to care. And I’m “anti-American” because I feel this way.
I was picking up some tools at OSH about an hour ago, and helped an older woman take some plastic boxes down from a tall shelf. When I put them in her cart for her, she moved a bunch of duct tape and plastic sheeting out of the way. She told me how scared she was, and urged me to be prepared and safe.
That’s perfect. This woman, who could be doing several other things today, is preparing for a terrorist attack, right here in Pasadena. Because she’s afraid. Just like the Bush Junta wants us all to be.
Ugh. Note to self: don’t post when emotional.

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472 thoughts on “Kingdom of Rain”

  1. The day we all accept everything that is going on in this country, is the day we WILL lose that great freedom to COMPLAIN about it. Take a chill pill, UNCLE SAM and Big Brother.

  2. Wil-
    Please don’t let the jackasses get you down, whether they are RFAs or blog trolls or whatever. Personally, I don’t think you’re un-patriotic for feeling like you’re being spoon-fed a load of garbage by the government right now. I think anyone with three brain cells to rub together feels the same way, but also powerless to stop the train.
    As for your writing woes, have you ever read On Writing by Stephen King. It’s a non-fiction book in which he talks about his life and writing process. He has some very insightful things to say about People To Read Your Stuff, as in who to pick, how to take the things they tell you, etc. And it’s just a darn good read.
    Anyway, keep up the good work, hon!

  4. “Don’t post when emotional.” I so identify with how vulnerable you feel, but there is a real up side to being decisive when emotional. I just figured this out, and it feels profound to me even if it really isn’t. Last night, I resigned from a volunteer position I really love right in the middle of an e-mail shitstorm. Did it while I was emotional, right? Today, I realize it was totally the right thing to do because interaction with some of the other people involved no longer felt safe. If I hadn’t done it then, I would have talked myself out of my instinct about what isn’t safe for me to be in, and thereby brought even more shit down on my head in the coming months.
    Today, I’m sad to let go of the job I’ve been enjoying, but relieved to not have to keep defending myself against the assholes. That takes a ton of energy that I just don’t have. And my reptile brain knew it. So the lesson for the day is “Express yourself when you’re emotional. It might be messy, but it’s true.”
    Feeling vulnerable about your book is probably going to make you feel vulnerable about everything for a while. But you are brave to even write a book and put it out there for everyone to have an opinion about. I’m not that brave at all.
    Off the soapbox now. I just had to rejoice in the wisdom of my hindbrain!

  5. What a surprise, another know-nothing Hollywood leftist. No wonder I never liked the stupid, whiny, Star Trek character–the actor was a whiny Hollywood moron all along.
    Next.

  6. This is why we cut his speaking parts from the movie. If he keeps it up he doesn’t get on the DVD either.

  7. Gee, Wil — are you gonna go cry now? Get over yourself, man! I’m a writer, too, but I don’t go online to whine about how no one likes something I wrote and how unfair it all is. Oh, the humanity!
    As for the war stuff, say what you want, think what you want, do what you want. But if you are going to continue to let leftist propaganda blind you to the truth of the threats we face as a nation, then you’re dumber than you sound. We

  10. I am not sure I agree with you. I did 10rs as a Air Force Intelligence Analyst. I have been stationed at Kunia Station, Hawaii; Osan AB, South Korea and National Security Agency, Ft Meade, MD. (and even put in some time on a ship for my job). I have worked both of the current issues this world is facing. Saddam is VERY dangerous and YES he is now working with Osama. Osama may not like Saddam but he dislikes us far more. Old saying goes,”the enemy of my enemy is a friend.”
    North Korea isn’t a problem. They are more about talk then about action. They just want to black mail us for food and resourses. They have been in a severe drought for years.
    I have served under 3 presidents, and believe me, the right man is in office.
    I am not a Air Force Reserve Flight Medic. I will probably be deployed to the middle east. None of the military want to hurt anyone in Iraq. BUT we also don’t want to have to keep dealing with Saddam. The 1st Bush wasn’t allowed to deal with him, Clinton chose not to, and now we have too.
    As for terror alerts. Better knowing that something might happen then being hit and being caught off guard. Quite a few countries have lived like this for YEARS, we have just now joined the club. It isn’t nice but it is now reality.
    I feel for your emotions over a new book. Can’t imagine what that feels like. I wish you luck.
    Thing is from all the above. We are Americans, and we will be just fine.
    Take care of yourself

  12. Wil,
    Get your head out of your ass and look around. Forget about your feelings and focus on the facts.
    Junta? Do you even know what the word means?
    Get back to acting, that way you can speak intelligently and without worry.

  13. So, I wonder if we could poll the whole bunch of “Stand By Me” kids to see what they think about the war. Actually, besides the has-been trekie lamers who populate this site, nobody cares. Jerry Connolly is too busy making “movies” and earning money. River’s dead but we all know what he’d say. Keifer, attending NA meetings. Corey-(Bwahahahahahahahaha)? That really doesn’t leave too many others, does it?

  14. You’ve been an actor w-a-a-a-y too long. You need to get out of the ozone layer and into the real world before it is too late, kid.
    Grow UP!

  15. “We are marching directly into a war, though there is massive public resistance to it.
    We are marching directly into a war, and the media, the supposed 4th estate, isn’t doing ANYTHING to keep people informed — they’re just propagandizing for the Bush Junta.”
    Will. if the public only gets propaganda what exactly do they think they are massively resisting? Perhaps “massive” isn’t quite the right word? Or maybe “propagandizing” was a poor choice. Logic can be such an elusive thing!

  16. Pull yourself together, you girl! Do you wile away your days stairing into the mirror and contemplating your feelings, drawing flowers on your note book and daydreaming about boys? Awww, thought so.

  17. I am glad to see I have some fellow patriots out here. Reading most of the above comments makes you think that to many people are against us.
    There are a few things that kill me.
    One: Who do these actors think they are? They are actors/atresses. Not our foreign policy people. It isn’t right that they go to other countries and bad mouth their own. The Constitution that allows for freedom of speech also allows for people to leave. If these actors want to do some good. Join the USO and support our troops and Pray for our country/president/troops. But that of course would require religion and being thought of someone but themselves.
    Two: Anti-war protesters. Do these people really understand who organizes these things. Most of the organizers are Pro-Iraq/Saudi/who ever, Communist, or Anti-American. The biggest one is ANSWER, which is run by the Workers World Party…i.e. Communist. If any of these groups had there way in this country, those protesters wouldn’t be allowed to protest against our gov’t. They would be jailed or killed. And the other big group is NION (Not In Our Name) with people like Al Sharpton and “Hanoi” Jane Fonda. She has done enough I would think.
    Three, and last, news organizations. Most of them are so left leaning that they only report what they want. I thought their job was to report the news, THE NEWS. As a whole. Again, just like communist.

  18. Yes, Yes, Yes! Nice to see some one stand up to those rich bastards. 🙂 I like how you handled the situation, the way you did it was perfect.
    I’m sure the book will be great. If an editor has some comments, don’t worry. Take a look at the editor’s sugestions, maybe try adjusting it that way and see how it works.
    Here’s a little story 🙂
    Spider Robinson, a great science fiction writer, started out submitting to Analog magazine. Ben Bova, the editor then, would send the story back saying something like “Cut it down to 10,000 words.” Spider would look at it, cut it down some, maybe from 25,000 to 23,000 words and send it in with a note saying something like “This is as far as I can go.” Ben would send it back with the same note. Eventually Spider would get it down to 10,000 words and before sending it in, would read through it and think something like “Wow, that is better.” And would send it in and it would then be published.
    I guess there’s a moral to this story. Basically, sometimes the writer’s ego can get in the way without the writer knowing. Of course sometimes editors can be real assholes.
    Anyway, keep you hopes up, keep up the good work. Rest a bit and take a break from posting when it feels like a chore. I could tell another story, but that one above took alot of space.

  19. Awww, ain’t that sweet? Lil’ Ian’s gonna kiss lil’ Wil’s fragile ego and make it all better. Now you two girls run along and play with your dolls.

  20. Wil, lose the attitude and focus on your work or you’ll be relegated to off-Broadway productions of Cats and Les Miserables for the rest of your life. Rum Tum Tiger is as much a cage as Wesley Crusher, set yourself free man.

  21. Alan,
    He already HAS been relegated to the trash heap. All he can hope to do now is salvage his self-respect. Getting rid of the blue hair and the wussy attitude would be a really good start.

  22. Will!!
    I was sitting at my computer, bored out of my brain, doing everything I could to distract myself from a series of chapters I have to copy edit (not very professional, but it’s Valentine’s Day in Australia and I’m single, therefore moderately depressed), and on a whim decided to check your site, though I’d made a note: “Wil’s not home right now, leave a message and get back to him in a week.”
    And you’re back!
    About your observation: “why aren’t people speaking out!?” Here’s something a friend sent me, an ex Aussie author now in the US. It’s about YellowTimes.org, an alternative news source.
    It just might shed some light.
    This is a cut and paste from the e-mail she forwarded me. To shed a little light, this is from a 55 year old ex-pat Aussie grandma who is a best selling author and as it happens, in shock at what is happening to her new country of five years.
    **********
    YellowTimes.org Shut Down!
    Stifling the Voice of Reason
    by Firas Al-Atraqchi
    February 11, 2003
    The well known alternative news publication YellowTimes.org was just shut down without explanation by its hosting company! It recently published an article by an Iraqi nuclear scientist!
    The campaign to stifle dissent and censor any questioning of current U.S. policies vis-a-vis the Middle East in general, and Iraq in particular, has reached new levels.
    Websites which host alternative views, and/or views that contradict U.S. foreign policy are no longer tolerated on the Internet and are systematically coming under hacker attack and political pressures to “relocate.”
    YellowTimes.org has for the past six months withstood intense hacker attacks as it publishes views that directly question, criticize, and berate the U.S. official line regarding the impending invasion of Iraq.
    “In addition to e-mail spoof attacks, I think they are attempting to overload our servers through denial of service attacks, forcing our website to go offline. Similar incidents happened last time we released an article from Imad Khadduri,” says Erich Marquardt, YellowTimes.org
    publisher.
    Imad Khadduri, an Iraqi former nuclear scientist who was instrumental in Iraq’s nuclear weapons program in the 1980s and early 1990s, has
    charged that recent allegations concerning the competence and progress of the Iraqi nuclear weapons program are baseless and untrue.
    In an article published on YellowTimes.org before it was taken off-line by its hosting company, Khadduri painted a dismal picture of Iraq’s scientific community with many out of jobs and scrounging for work after the Gulf War and subsequent allied bombing reduced any nuclear hopes to rubble.
    Khadduri has also charged Khidhir Hamza, a former Iraqi scientist with whom Khadduri worked, with fabricating and exaggerating his importance in
    Iraq’s nuclear program outlined in Hamza’s book “Saddam’s Bombmaker.”
    While several YellowTimes.org writers have been lauded for bringing previously unpublished news to its readers and informing the public of
    news that has been virtually “blacked out” from mainstream North American media (CNN, New York Times, etc.), a marginal number of readers have
    found the website to be “sick and diseased,” and “unpatriotic.”
    Those who charge that intellectual debate is unpatriotic forget the words of John Adams, one of the forefathers of the U.S. Constitution:
    “The jaws of power are always open to devour, and her arm is always stretched out, if possible, to destroy the freedom of thinking, speaking,
    and writing. Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge, I mean the characters and conduct of their rulers.”
    Or perhaps they forget Thomas Jefferson:
    “The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure.”
    Are more websites about to be “shut down”?
    For its part, YellowTimes.org is committed to continuing its ethos in providing its hundreds of thousands of monthly visitors with alternative
    news and views, and is not taking the recent shutdown lightly. “This setback is not going to stop us from speaking out against leaders and
    governments who commit gross injustices against humankind,” said Marquardt.
    “Believe me, YellowTimes.org will be back.”
    **********
    Sorry to stick in such a long post, folks, but I thought it might be interesting.
    Wil, in regards to your book, let it go and just rework the bits you changed to appease the opinion of someone else.
    Like your incredibly popular site, your book will sail only if it’s you in the boat. Throw everyone else overboard! 🙂
    Personally, I can’t wait for it.

  23. Thanks for speaking out, Wil. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
    I haven’t heard anything out of Todd Bridges – his dissent must have been crushed by Tom Ridge’s Conformity Ninjas. Thank Jeebus that we have a backup emotionally stunted chilhood celebrity to speak for us.
    You are the critical voice in the vast wilderness, Wil.
    {bites lib somberly}
    You are.

  24. By the way, I just read the thing about the rich fucking assholes. They totally overreacted and are complete fuckwads. It was half a fucking hour, for god’s sake. The only people who would think they were in the right are other rich fucking assholes who don’t have a clue.
    And just think: those two assholes have to put up with each other Every. Day.
    Karma, dude. karma. Believe in it.

  25. Hmm. Maybe a “rich fucking assholes” t-shirt to complement the “william fucking shatner” one?

  26. Yeah, those darn rich assholes. Kiss my butt you little creep. I have to work for a living while you sit on your lazy ass and bitch all day while collecting your residual checks from when you did work for a living. If you can afford to live in Pasadena without a job then you are a rich asshole. So quit bitching about your brethren pinko.

  27. What I find interesting about Wheaton and his Bush-hating fans is that they seem to think they and only they represent “the people”. Bush is supposedly going against the wishes of the people of the United States while every poll in the country, even one run by the Greens says he has a 60+% approval rating and most of America (60+%) is behind him on the war. So it seems that the guys saying that Bush is going against the American people are actually claiming that only those who agree with them that Bush has already secretly killed millions of people in secret camps all over America (and don’t tell me you Lefties don’t believe this) are actually American. If not, then why don’t they simply accept that they’re on the losing side on the issue?
    And as for the hackneyed “Squashing Of Dissent” complaint (i.e. “Just because I say that America is a terrorist nation doesn’t mean I’m Anti-American” / “Just because I want Saddam and his sons to continue to brutalize Iraqis in peace doesn’t mean I’m Anti-American” / “Just because I think that America may have deserved 9/11 doesn’t mean I’m Anti-American”) that’s just plain and utter bullshit.
    What has happened is that, for the first time, sensible people have decided to stop letting the foolish, morally and intellectually vacuous incomprehensible natterings of the glitterati and their college professor gurus simply slide by without comment. Now, horror of horrors, they’re actually hearing criticism where before they’d only heard silence or applause from sycophants. That’s the sound of the free speech that they claim to champion … and contrary to their expectations, it’s not an echo of their voices.
    It shows how pampered Wheaton and his buddies really are that they can get on prime time TV, call Bush a Hitler and his administration a junta and denounce the vast majority of the country that is on the other side of this issue as jingoistic and racist ignorant hicks and then claim that their right to free speech is being curtailed because somebody else dared to use their own free speech rights to counter their brain farts.
    What makes it even more obvious how pampered and lucky these Idiotarians are is the fact that they use the words “junta”, “dictator”, etc. so freely. They remind me of a shallow spoiled teenage girl who thinks her parents don’t care about her because they wouldn’t buy her a BMW. It’s obvious none of them know what living under a “junta” is really like. I do. They don’t know what it really means to fear for your life because you said the “wrong thing”. How can Wheaton really know what living in a junta is like if he is not afraid to print this shit on a web site?
    But the people of Iraq sure do know what it’s like to be at the mercy of totalitarian state. Boy, do they. To pampered people like Wheaton and other Hollywood glitterati who cannot even begin to comprehend what they’re going through, it’s very easy to demand “peace” when they know they won’t be suffering the continued kidnappings, tortures, mutilations, murders and rapes (not to mention gas attacks) that the Iraqis are subjected to by Saddam Hussein, his sons and his other assorted Thugs. They’re not going to pay the price for “peace”. The Iraqi people are.
    Until, of course, Saddam constructs a dirty bomb and gives it to some terrorist group who blows it up in the “fashionable” Hollywood, Frisco or Upper West Side Manhattan neighborhoods where the glitterati meet for cocktails and key parties. After all, Osama and his buddies have even less love for gay people than they do for ordinary Americans … and those areas are pretty gay-heavy. But until then, the glitterati would continue nattering on about their so-called “peace”, sip Chablis, make estimates about millions of civilian deaths (due to their great experience and knowledge of the military of course), nibble on brie, and discuss their next trip to Cuba to bask in the gaze of Fidel.
    But in the end, the fact remains that the peace movement cannot credibly claim to be for peace for the sake of the welfare of the Iraqi people. The vast majority are simply there because they’re deluded enough to believe that claiming that motive makes them morally superior and “brave”. But there is nothing “brave” about it. Protesting in the USA is a no-risk venture. Even those few idiots going over to Iraq to be human shields are not brave. Every single one of them concedes that Saddam is evil and should be forced (by peaceful means they cannot elaborate, of course) from power. But that’s before they get to Iraq … once there, they’re Saddam’s perfectly behaved and humble guests.
    But if they were really pro-Iraqi welfare, they could kill two birds with one stone and display their bravery for all to see. There is a way to stop the war and free the Iraqis of their oppressor … Saddam and his upper echelons should step down and go into exile, to countries that would accomodate them, i.e. North Korea, Libya, Cuba, France or even, provided the city council and the Federal Government reach an agreement, Berkeley. The human shields could have aimed for this. They could have started protesting, leading marches, calling on Saddam to resign … in Iraq. Now that would be bravery.
    Wheaton did not make a single argument that made sense in his puerile and ludicrously effeminate whine. I think he and his glitterati buddies should actually spend a while doing some research, paying attention to not just the “fashionable” side of the issue, gain some modicum of knowledge before opening their mouths. Until you know something about the issues at hand, stick to your areas of expertise. When we have a crisis demanding that we get more people wearing clothes that leave you 80% naked, changing sex partners more than they change their underwear, acting like spoilt children, and raising the divorce rate sky-high, no one will complain when you give your opinion.
    Until then, shut the fuck up.

  30. Wil,
    Stick at it, and don’t let the bastards get you down. Its a real shame that for every cool person on the Net, there are several morons as well. I’m glad that you feel able to keep coming back and posting your thoughts, feelings, hopes and fears, because you have important things to say, and people need to read this stuff.
    Respect is due.
    As for the War. It’s bullshit. The only solid link between Saddam Insane and Osama Bin Fuckhead is that they were armed and aided by Western Powers in recent decades (thats right folks, the US and British governments were happily selling GUNS and BOMBS to Saddam while he was gasing Kurds, and the US aided and trained Osama’s fanatics).
    Martin Knights view on the “squashing of dissent” seems to me to be…squewed. See, on the surface, his point seems valid, but Wil is not talking about…”Just because I want Saddam and his sons to continue to brutalize Iraqis in peace doesn’t mean I’m Anti-American”…
    What Wil is talking about is THIS…
    “Just because I don’t see how carpet bombing an already ravaged nation is going to stop the tyrant in charge/just because I don’t agree with the “its okay to kill them, theyre Iraq’s/just because I don’t see how bombing Iraq will prevent another 9/11/”
    The dissent is not about pandering to, or appeasing a disguisting regime, its about the morality of making a pre-emptive strike against a severely weakened state which will most likely cause a conflagration across the whole Middle East, cause the creation of hundreds more terrorist cells and lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of men, women and children whose only crime was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
    There must be a differentiation between hatred of America and an opposition to bloodlust. The evidence against Iraq gets shakier by the day, while the need to act against states like North Korea gets stronger. I am opposed to war against Iraq because I am unconvinced that Iraq poses a significant enought threat to justify a ful-scale pre-emtive slaughter, and I oppose it because I cannot see how it will defeat Bin Laden.
    There is no current link between Bin LAden and Saddam. None. The last Video message from the sick bastard proved it. Out of his own rancid mouth. He declared that he would support the “ordinary people” of Iraq if they struck out against the oppressors, of which he listed Saddam as one. Saddam is a Secular leader, Osama is a religious fanatic and to him, the Iraq leader is worse than we are.
    So…how will killing Iraqis stop Osama from thumbing his nose at the West and from commiting more atrocities.
    I know bombs wont do it. What they will do is recuit more terrorists.
    Mo Mowlem, ex-British Minister for Northern Ireland, and the person who kept the Peace PRocess going, knows this well enough. I quote “Bombing Iraq will not eradicate terror or Al Quaeda. It will initiate a strong rectruitment drive for them”
    Is this war really about the welfare of the Iraqi people?
    If so, why is it only now that action is to be taken. We knew the Iraqi people we being oppressed years ago…we sold Hussain the weapons to do it.
    If so, why are Bush and co making such a big deal about what will happen to the oil fields. This is a Government that is in the pocket of big business, it is thick with oil money. Coincidence.
    I don’t buy it. Theres more to this than suspected violations of UN resolutions (if it were only about that…then Israel would have been censured years ago) and possible WMD’s. There are many states which have WMD’s and are in better conditions to use them aggresivly.
    I don’t buy it, and neither do thousands of others. I’ll be joining 40,000 Scots tomorrow in a Anti-War march in GLasgow. More marches will be happening all over the world.
    The truth will out. I support Wil on this.
    Find Osama, stop the terror.
    No death for oil, no slaughter for lies, no sacrifice for chickenhawks.
    No unjustifiable war. NOT IN MY NAME.
    I now await the tirade of infantile abuse which will no doubt be hurled in my direction.

  31. Wil, Nothing pisses me off more than people with nothing better to do than rip on other people. I just don’t see the point. I, personally, have been an admirer for a long time and was thrilled to see you have a site and one with such great content. Keep your head up. We’re always with you!

  32. Mr. Fluffy,
    I am not going to through abuse at you. I just think you have some of your facts wrong. I wont argue that the US had something to do with Sadam and Osama. We’ve had quite a bit of people we have helped turn against us.
    We didn’t supply Iraqs arms. Iraqs weapons come from Germany and France. The nuclear reactor that was bombed by Israel was French. Also, there are some Indian Co. involved in selling chemicals and bldg chemical plants. Even before the Gulf war Iraq was using Soviet equipment.
    In case you are wondering about my qualifications, see the above points from me.
    I have been in the position to see things. Powells briefing was right on. Unfortunately we have lost some intelligence abilities. What makes things classified, for the most part, is how we get it or who we get it from. And now Iraq can figure out what phones/radios have been compromised, and change them. BUT Powell presented everything he could safely and with minimal damage to resourses.

  34. Sorry about my dumb sentence structure. It’s what happens when you cut and edit and don’t reread.
    My other post are:
    07:01am and 07:40am today

  37. Anyone who thinks fluffy simply has “bad facts” is sorely mistaken. He’s BRAINWASHED, just like his lefty buddies. Colin Powell could present a video taped confession by bin Laden and Saddam sitting there admitting that everything the Bush administration has been saying is true, and the French, Germans, and American lefties would all find some excuse to claim it doesn’t really “prove” anything. You simply can’t convince people who refuse to be convinced.
    I could refute every point fluffy-boy made with little effort other than the typing it would take, but why waste my time on someone who lives his life believing in crackpot conspiracy theories and attending rallies with rabid anti-Semites? Better to save my efforts for those who will actually listen.
    So you are now awaiting

  38. …from the Regular Guys on 96rock in Atlanta…who moved from the left coast to be in the RIGHT side of the coutry:
    Give WAR a Chance!
    Blood for Oil!
    Pacifists are Pussies!

  40. Lefties, listen up. Righties we knew this all along. From Neal Boortz, http://www.boortz.com
    BUT IT’S ALL ABOUT OIL, ISN’T IT?
    Yeah, sure. It’s all about oil. You’re right. How could anyone possibly argue the point? Here … let’s look at the massive evidence:
    Saddam Hussein has steadfastly refused to abide by more than 17 demands by the United Nations that he divest himself of weapons of mass destruction. He has refused … but it’s all about oil.
    Saddam Hussein has used chemical and biological weapons against his own people … but it’s all about oil.
    Saddam says he has no nuclear weapons program. Inspectors find over 3000 pages of documentary evidence to the contrary … but it’s all about oil.
    Saddam says his missiles can’t fly more than the allowed 150 miles. Inspectors find engineering plans and other evidence which shows that Saddam’s missiles can fly to Tel Aviv and beyond. He lied … but it’s all about oil.
    Saddam Hussein is on record as saying that his goal is one Arab world with one Arab ruler located in one Arab capitol. That ruler would be Saddam and that capitol would be Baghdad. But it’s all about oil.
    The UN inspectors were sent to Iraq not to find weapons, but to verify that Saddam had disarmed. Hans Blix says that they have not disarmed … but it’s all about oil.
    Hans Blix says that Saddam Hussein has not accepted the fact that he must disarm. But it’s all about oil.
    The United States has an energy policy. All major industrial nations have energy policies. But the fact that the US has an energy policy means … it’s all about oil.
    Dick Cheney used to work for Halliburton. Halliburton is an energy company. This proves it’s all about oil.
    When Dick Cheney became Vice President Halliburton didn’t completely divest itself of any and all involvement with the oil industry. This proves that it’s all about oil.
    George Bush used to work in the oil industry. More proof that it’s all about oil.
    Convincing evidence, Isn’t it?
    Lefties, see the light and come to the right. We have more FUN!

  41. There you go again. Do you honestly believe that Al Qaeda is the only Islamic terrorist organization on the planet? Why is it called the “War on Terrorism” instead of the “War on Al-Qaeda”? After September 11th, America did not just go after Al-Qaeda, we also went after Abu Sayyaf in the Phillipines and started putting the screws to such lovely organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah. Al-Qaeda is just one of many terrorist organizations that would love to destroy America. It was also the only one to get really lucky.
    What you seem to ignore is the fact that there is a terrorist organization, (not Al-Qaeda but very possibly affiliated), based in Iraq whose leader is known to have spent some time in Afghanistan with Osama and who seems to have developed a close relationship with the Iraqi government, which is not known for its scrupulousness or rationality and is not particularly squeamish about mass murder. Even if this man, Zarqawi, a known terrorist who loathes America as much as Osama Bin Laden, had no connection with Al-Qaeda, doesn’t the possibility of him getting access to a dirty bomb scare the shit out of you?
    As for argument on “carpet bombing”, how do you know that’s what’s going to happen? How do you know that the military is not going to use a more sophisticated targetted strike program? Do you have any experience in the military? On what basis do you make the projection, with the level of certainty that you do, that “hundreds of thousands” of people would die? Hell, this same thing (including the “conflagration” thing) was said about Afghanistan.
    Did you say the same thing when Clinton sent missiles to downtown Baghdad for a full 70 hours in 1998? If you had actually been following the news you’d know that 60% of Saddam’s troops gave up without a fight in 1991 and that morale is even lower and the Iraqi military even weaker, today.
    You forget that a great deal of people in many of Iraq’s cities rose up against Saddam after the Gulf War, despite knowing that they could be killed. Thousands upon thousands were cut to ribbons. Some are still being tortured today. They were willing to risk their lives for the freedom. They only stopped fighting when they knew it was futile when it became clear that America had broken its promise to come to their aid. What makes you think they’re not willing to, now? What makes you think life in Saddam’s Iraq is worth living? And after he dies, one of his psycho sons, both of whom are known to be even more demented than their father, would take over … just like the Assads of Syria … and life would continue being hell for Iraqis.
    And as for your point as to whether stopping Iraq from being a state that gives terrorist a free haven and a marketplace to buy WMD would prevent another 9/11 … that’s a bit fatuous. Did America do anything to deserve 9/11? What makes you think they’ll hate us any less? Is doing nothing a guarantor that they’ll not attack us again? At the very least, regime change in Iraq, other than freeing the Iraqi people from Saddam’s tyranny, removes Iraq from the list of countries terrorists may freely operate in. If an attack occurs, it wouldn’t be using weapons manufactured in Iraq.
    And also, note that North Korea is the problem it is now because we chose to ignore that they were in the process of creating WMDs. If we had attacked the problem back in the 90s we won’t be here now. And if we don’t deal with the problem of Saddam Hussein now, what would happen when he is able to showcase a working thermo-nuclear device? Physicians (of which Iraq has plenty), material (which are no way near impossible to obtain) and time is all he needs.
    And as for your apparent trump card that the US was responsible for arming Saddam, thus we should leave him alone … that’s also fatuous. Because it then makes it the duty of the United States to rectify its mistake and dis-arm Saddam. Britain had dealings and traded technology, some with dual purpose capabilities, with Nazi Germany prior to the war. Did that mean that Britain was unjustified in attacking Nazi Germany (Note that Germany hadn’t attacked Britain or any declared any such intentions when Britain declared war)? After all, they (or you) had some responsibility for arming Hitler …
    As for your point about Saddam being a secular leader and that Osama or other Islamic extremists would not deal with him; that’s just dumb. Osama hated us yet he still worked with United States Special Forces with the Mujahideen against the Soviet invaders in Afghanistan; the man is a lot more pragmatic than you think. Nazis hated Bolsheviks and vice versa, yet Molotov and Ribbentrop signed a treaty. Hamas and Hezbollah hate each other but they still sometimes work together. And in case you think Saddam is above exploiting religion to rally extremists to his cause, why do you think he added “Allahu Akbar” to Iraq’s flag, is building one of the Middle East’s biggest mosque, publicly boasted of having a Qur’an written in his blood, and has instituted what is for all intents and purposes, Shariah law, in Iraq?
    I’m a Muslim so I know these things. So here’s the thing … you’re marching tomorrow because you hate George Bush, not because you care anything about the Iraqi people. Because if you did, you’d be holding up a “Saddam Must Go!” sign and touting it as proudly as your “No To War” sign. Otherwise, you’re saying “Save Saddam!”.
    PS: Notice that I didn’t call you a name, even once.

  42. Wil,
    you should close the forum until the war is over and people have come back to their senses.
    If they want to vent their entirely unhuman pro war tirades, they should run their own website and not abuse yours to spread their fear and uncertainty.
    America is probably nearing its darkest age yet and most of the Americans just can

  43. Steven,
    Not to mention the fact that the absolute easiest way for us to get the oil would be to cut a sweet deal with Saddam where he gives us the oil and we let him do whatever he wants. But this is too logical for the lefties who would rather believe in bizarre conspiracy theories than listen to reason and logic.
    By the way, guess which three countries have multi-billion dollar oil contracts with Saddam right now? Yep, you guessed it: Russia, China, and France. So who has the ulterior motives here?

  44. Oliver,
    Yes, we are nearing our darkest days because we have such a disgusting subculture of America-haters who will excuse any tirant out there as long as it pisses off Middle America. Add that to the jealous and holier-than-thou EUniks, and you’ve got a real witches brew.
    Shut down the site? Great idea! After all, no one wants to be bothered with pesky opinions which they don’t agree with. Now I see why you like Saddam so much.
    And young and inexperienced? Just how old do we have to be before we get more respect than that? Seems to me that after saving Europe’s ass twice in the last century, they would stop spitting such pathetic bile.

  45. Hitler posed no threat to the United States either. He didn’t have chemical or biological weapons. He didn’t have a big enough Navy to attack us. But he was a madman and that use to count for something. We use to try to stop the people who inflicted genocide. Nowadays we just join the same European Chorus that refused to stop Hitler before it was too late. Instead of acting against dictators we attack Bush.

  46. Oliver, you aren’t French by any chance are you? Or are you just one the surrender eating cheese monkeys schnitzel eating lap dogs?

  47. Greg,
    You’re forgetting that in the screwed-up, conspiracy theory world of the leftist wackos, Bush IS a dictator, while Saddam is a democratically-elected president (he got 100% of the votes with 100% turnout, you know). What a bunch of loons.

  48. I’m relieved to see so many comments agreeing with the IMHO spot-on rant on the looming war and so-called anti-Americanism (sign me up too). Where were all of us on Election Day? There have to be more, millions of people who don’t want a way. Speak up and speak out. It’s only one small spot here, but if there are enough of us, the powers that be can’t ignore us, can they? (I guess that’s a good question too, huh?)

  50. Eddra Fallin.
    Im impressed, really I am. You managed to slip the anti-semitic charge against me. How, I’m not so sure, since never in any of my posts (and certainly not that one) have I ever made so much as one anti semitic comment. And before you start frothing at the mouth (or something), I should point out that expressing a distaste for the actions of Ariel Sharon and the IDF is not anti-semitic. I would have to be attacking them for their religion for it to be anti-semitic. Im not.
    I also note that instead of being a someone who has used all the information that they have been presented with, and been able to discover for myself and then form an opinion on…im actually brainwashed. Uh huh. Are we sure this isn’t a pot/kettle situation?
    On that “getting info” point, heres a good place to start.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2761261.stm
    Its a pity you seem so convinced that I won’t listen, because I would love to be provided with solid evidence, lacking all spin, simply the clear unvarnished truth…that proves that a pre-emptive strike against Iraq (with all the civilian deaths that would accompany it) would be justified. I really would. Its not been forthcoming so far. There is no smoking gun.
    I note that I was right about the infantile tirade of abuse. Only one person bothered to respond in a reasoned manner.

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