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“You’re right, everyone is biased. There is NO impartial judging, if you get right down to it. But does that mean that we should not read something and agree with it? Does that mean that we shouldn’t be moved by something someone says and agree with it or vice versa because of its effect on us?”
No. I didn’t mean it that way. If you read something that you genuinely agree with and feel that it articulates your viewpoint very well, by all means agree and support it. My only quarrel with many points of view, including people holding the same as mine, is that very few of them are speaking from experience with the topic they are discussing. I guess I have just always been annoyed by the fact that professors always seem to be ones with the least amount of experience but the most credibilty. Things are getting blurry now. Must…get…away….from…computer.
But why should people keep their mouths shut, telguy? To me, that sounds a helluva lot like censorship, and that is the LAST thing a situation like that needs.
I could’ve sworn there was an amendment to the Constitution out there, something about freedom of speech.. heavens me, where was that thing…
One of the great things about America is that people have the right to be able to speak thier opinion. Where would we be, what would we have become if the Constiution didn’t allow for such a right?
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
I know what you mean, Dale. 🙂
“But why should people keep their mouths shut, telguy? To me, that sounds a helluva lot like censorship, and that is the LAST thing a situation like that needs.”
I think telguy has the same problem as me. So many people voicing their opinions in a very public forum, but very few truly understand what they are talking about. Is there any creature more annoying than Alec Baldwin?
I’m sorry, but I have to say this. Awhile back someone from the UK stated how great Clinton. I voted for GWB in the last election (which, for reasons other than most of the ones discussed here, I am thinking was a mistake.). I see that GWB has his faults, but Gore and his supporters were just too close to Clinton for my tastes. I just can’t stomach that man. I also want to say that this has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with his affair, but it does have everything to do with integrity and our legal system, however flawed.
I just hope that not every citizen of the UK, Europe, or the world looks on Bill Clinton as the next JFK. Geeze, how a world like that would suck.
I can think of many more annoying people than Alec Baldwin.
Mr. Ashcroft
Jessica Simpson
Rebecca Engle
Kevin Costner
Arnold Schwartzenegger
Mr. bin Laden
Halle Berry (on occasion)
A lot of the people who wrote the letter the Guardian published are fairly well-educated in this matter.
Thanks Dale, You gave me a new signature:
“Is there any creature more annoying than Alec Baldwin?”
I know what you meant RE Alec Baldwin, but he is entitled to his opinion. Pick on the people who publish him instead.
“I just hope that not every citizen of the UK, Europe, or the world looks on Bill Clinton as the next JFK. Geeze, how a world like that would suck.”
Clinton would have been a great man if he could have kept it in his pants and been more of a human with his family. I am not offended because he had sex per se, rather I am annoyed that it is common sense that something like this would obviously be a huge scandal and he still did it. That hillbilly did alot for our country, but war was something he wasn’t a master at.
Wil,
Thank god your one of the few people who speak their mind. I’m glad a few people are noticing the rape of the constitution and America by both Al-quieda and members of our government.
I do not find this writing Anti-American but Pro american. Our freedom to express opinions is the principles which we are trying to fight to keep in this country and yet many people long to squash with in our own country. To those who find September 11 a shock wake up and pay attention. Now feel anguish for what happened do not get me wrong, but America has done far worse than blowing up buildings. We are the only country who have use Nuclear Arms actively. We’ve killed citizens of other countries instead of militarty targets repeatedly. We provide military weapons to anti-democracy activists (the taliban is an example). Many times our weapons have been used to killed innocents by the people who buy and sell our Military weapons. Thats why many countries hate us. We involve ourselves to much militarily in other countries and cause havoc. We favor terrorist countries like Saudia Arabia only because we need their oil. If we are the strongest power in the world we have a serious problem. As peace keepers we have soiled our hands in blood of many people. We have assissinated our own principles of liberty, freedom, and equality. We do it now to ourselves for “safety” but we are sacrificing our liberty for safety, if that is the future of our country i see a growing control that will eventually squash all the personall freedoms we have fought to protect for centuries. If we sacrifice liberty for safety than we have destroyed ourselves.
YES. Go after the people responsible. YES. Make an example so that hopefully someone will think twice before doing something similar again. But for all that is sacred and right and true, I just wish the goverment would PLEASE put some thought into what it’s doing and proceed with a little less recklessness. How many months has it been? Osama isn’t dead yet? Even if you kill Bin Laden, someone else will just rise to take his place.
The immediate reaction is revenge. Go kill all those people in retaliation for who we lost. Think it through. That will solve nothing if America does not start seriously reevaluating its priorities and the way it presents itself to the rest of the world. I destest bullies and I will not have one speaking for me, either.
I am fortunate that I was born an American this time around. I cannot possibly imagine how much more difficult it must be to live anywhere else, what with the economic conditions… from things such as natural disasters to crime to disease and famine, etc. I like living here. One of the REASONS I like living here is that I’m allowed to think for myself. And that includes disagreeing with the government if I don’t.. well.. agree.
That makes me anti-American? Sorry, but I think that makes me more American that anyone who’s simply following along like blind sheep. Call me names if you want. That’s your right under the constitution. You also have the right to remain ignorant and make yourself look like an idiot for your “love it or leave it” and your “with us or against us” attitudes that you so freely spit out left and right.
The world is not black and white. It is nearly black on one end, nearly white on the other, and has infinte shades of grey in between. The sooner some people in this world realize that, the better for everyone.
~MatrixRaven
*I think that this says how I feel too…only better put.*
Um quick comment about the bush administration, not that i fully believe this but theres a conspiracy theory that September was a preplanned attack involing several internal catalists.
Curious to think the most controversial election allowed a man to become illigitamtely apointed president in a state run by his own brother, the same state trained by the hijakers. With in several months the president took a long subatacle within less than 6 months since sworn in, and ended shortly before the 9/11 attacks. Its Curious Bush also proposed during an energy crisis investigated in the economy of Afghanistan earlier for companies to tap its potential oil. Also curious, the same terrorists who attacked america were trained by the Cia during Bush Seniors administration. All this in less than a year in office. Sounds a little questionable.
Um quick comment about the bush administration, not that i fully believe this but theres a conspiracy theory that September was a preplanned attack involing several internal catalists.
Curious to think the most controversial election allowed a man to become illigitamtely apointed president in a state run by his own brother, the same state trained by the hijakers. With in several months the president took a long subatacle within less than 6 months since sworn in, and ended shortly before the 9/11 attacks. Its Curious Bush also proposed during an energy crisis investigated in the economy of Afghanistan earlier for companies to tap its potential oil. Also curious, the same terrorists who attacked america were trained by the Cia during Bush Seniors administration. All this in less than a year in office. Sounds a little questionable.
I sent a response but it got FARKED up. I understand the screwups, I hope Wil gets me to think about things I care about enough to make me chime in with you guys again thank you…gotta go to bed…
WHATEVER!
Frick the damned Guardian morons!
Gina:
Why? Because they published something someone else wrote?
“Curious to think the most controversial election allowed a man to become illigitamtely apointed president”
He won fairly. The Miami Herald (liberal newspaper) did a recount of all the votes and bush really did win.
Honestly, cmon. Unless there is hard evidence, do not bring up conspiracy theories. It is insulting to drag unsupported theories into the very serious issues we are facing.
Go put your tinfoil hat back on and wait for the greys to come abduct you again.
KJB you are cute. Let’s go out and sometime and argue politics. I’ll even play liberal for the night and let you pull out my chair and pay for dinner. 🙂
Ohmigod, Dale S., you brought up the Greys from ID4.
Sounds good, except I might kill us both in a justifiable mercy killing.
Sorry, Wil, I have to disagree with you on this one, PLUS with the blatantly Anti-American Guardian for printing this. And, as for the self-loathing people who wrote that piece of filth, I pity them, but love the fact they they did it. I support their argument to say what they want to say, as long as they don’t advocate the overthrow of the United States government.
Wil, picking up non-US citizens for questioning and incarcerating them until their background is verified is something I am VERY comfortable with. I am a student of history and of the Constitution. I’ll know when people go too far.
Now, changing our immigration policy and “picking” on a specific group of people; namely young Arab and Middle-Eastern men. That is something we have to do. It’s racial profiling, yes, but who is committing these crimes?
Plus, equating Panama City, Baghdad, Vietnam, and September 11th? Are these people out of their freaking minds? The level of self-loathing and anti-Americanism is rediculous. I don’t mind people debating this topic and getting upset with the government, but what they do and have done is WAY on the wacky side. If America is so bad, why do they live here? They are always carping about how brutal and unlawful our government is. They should move to Baghdad, or Kabul (where, by the way, they recently had their first free elections in a LONG time, and, where women actually have an opportunity to go to SCHOOL for the first time in a decade) or just about any other nation in the world. Then they would see just how “free and open” the rest of the world is.
If you stand for nothing, then you’ll fall for anything.
I do, however, appreciate what you say and how you say it, even though I don’t agree with a lot of what you say.
And when it comes to the United States reserving the right to pre-emptively act anywhere in the world it sees fit to preserve its national interests, that is NOT a new policy, it’s just been restated more clearly in the Bush White House.
Check out what Clinton had to say about pre-emptive strikes against states who possess weapons of Mass Destruction.
It’s a complicated world, and sometimes the biggest kid on the block has to set up the rules.
And Noam Chomsky is the biggest Anti-Semetic, self-loathing anarchist the United States has seen since the Vietnam war. What a freaking hack!
Much Love, Wil.
I massively respect you.
Trevor
Trevor:
I’m a student of history, too.
And the idea of picking up every little foreign national and questioning them sickens me. If I’m some random-ass tourist, and I’m picked up, incarcerated, and questioned, you can sure as hell bet the farm that I’m not going back to that country, and I might have a much more negative impression of them than before the whole incident.
Even though it’s Hollywood, I suggest you pick up The Siege. It’s fiction, but there’s truth in there.
Remember what happened the last time we tried racial profiling? Japanese internment camps. Yes, a different time and place, but that does not make it ANY less wrong.
But thank you for your input.
To the people who made comments stating that the writers of the letter are bleeding heart liberals: Read who signed it again. There are historians, lawyers, professors, etc. who far outnumber the celebrities. These are thinking people. The problem with this country is that you have to be a sheep and follow everything that the government and the fanatical nationalists say or you are committing treason. I love this country; I do not love the government. I have the right to say and think whatever I want and whether it agrees or does not with the masses should be irrelevant because this is supposed to be the “Home of the free…” Why is someone called a bleeding heart liberal when they (gasp!) have the audacity to think for themselves and dissent with the flag wavers?! The reason why we police the world is not for some humanitarian and altruistic reason. Anyone who is that naive to believe that should get more edification on world events. The reason we do it is simply down to politics and money. If this country cared about what was happening to the Afghani people, why has it taken over a decade for us to step in and “liberate” the people of Afghanistan? Am I the only one who finds it ridiculous that the public is actually proud of us -a country that is arguably the super power of the world- charging in to Afghanistan in a power play? It had nothing to do with helping those oppressed in that country.
I love you Wil. I really do. You are an intelligent and incisive person and one of the few people out there who has the backbone to point out the hypocrisy in this country.
This country does not have a lily white record in the history books. What happened to the Native American population’s land? What about the slavery that took place less than 100 years ago? What about all of the disgusting prejudice that happens today with people who are not caucasian, male, republican, christians?
I am sure that there will be posts insulting and attacking my viewpoints, which is fine because that is the point of freedom of speech. However, I think that before a comment is made out of ignorance and pettiness, one might want to consider thinking through why they are making that statement, instead of being super patriots to the point of closed minded blindness.
Thank you.
To the people who made comments stating that the writers of the letter are bleeding heart liberals: Read who signed it again. There are historians, lawyers, professors, etc. who far outnumber the celebrities. These are thinking people. The problem with this country is that you have to be a sheep and follow everything that the government and the fanatical nationalists say or you are committing treason. I love this country; I do not love the government. I have the right to say and think whatever I want and whether it agrees or does not with the masses should be irrelevant because this is supposed to be the “Home of the free…” Why is someone called a bleeding heart liberal when they (gasp!) have the audacity to think for themselves and dissent with the flag wavers?! The reason why we police the world is not for some humanitarian and altruistic reason. Anyone who is that naive to believe that should get more edification on world events. The reason we do it is simply down to politics and money. If this country cared about what was happening to the Afghani people, why has it taken over a decade for us to step in and “liberate” the people of Afghanistan? Am I the only one who finds it ridiculous that the public is actually proud of us -a country that is arguably the super power of the world- charging in to Afghanistan in a power play? It had nothing to do with helping those oppressed in that country.
I love you Wil. I really do. You are an intelligent and incisive person and one of the few people out there who has the backbone to point out the hypocrisy in this country.
This country does not have a lily white record in the history books. What happened to the Native American population’s land? What about the slavery that took place less than 100 years ago? What about all of the disgusting prejudice that happens today with people who are not caucasian, male, republican, christians?
I am sure that there will be posts insulting and attacking my viewpoints, which is fine because that is the point of freedom of speech. However, I think that before a comment is made out of ignorance and pettiness, one might want to consider thinking through why they are making that statement, instead of being super patriots to the point of closed minded blindness.
Thank you.
Let’s also not forget McCarthy and his witchhunts.
I advise all of those who are in favour of the war effort in the Middle East that continues post the fall of the Taliban and the liberation of Kabul to buy themselves a good quality dictionary and meditate on the meaning of the word hegemony for a few days.
The Bush administation is not concerned with world freedom but rather with making the world free for a capitalist food chain at the top of which will sit the United States.
The murder of innocent people is never justified no matter what cause it is done in the name of. I would have hoped that the events of 9/11 would have taught us that.
There is one thing that I can not stand is people who can’t express an opinion but wind up getting caught up in their own mindlessness. Its the same thing when people write letters, make phone calls, and create awareness groups to get something in the world banned. My basic stance is this; it’s alright to have an opinion on a subject and to stand behind it with YOUR VALUES. The problem that comes into the picture is when a small group or single person decides that it is their job/duty to make everyone else in the counrtry/world have the same values as they do. They set out to “save the world”. This is seen from people trying to ban popular radio shows, TV shows, and other “harmful” materials. What’s right for one person is not always right for the majority. My basic point is that this article was based on the same idea of trying to get the US to “see it their way”. People like that just want to be heard to feel important in their own way because they want to “save the masses” from something that they do not agree with.
This is complete and utter bullshit. When any of the signers of this document actually have to worry whether or not they can make it to the next payday and still feed the family, then I will listen. Celebrities get paid entirely too much for what they do and have no clue what REAL 9-5 work is. This clouded judgement leads to stupid letters like the one Wil linked. Wil, you may be the exception, you seem to work fairly hard. But when an actor gets $20 million for a movie, their overall take on the world is a bit twisted. Damn, Liberals!
Oy. I feel like I have come completely full circle after a day on this thread. Listned to and read everyone’s viewpoint and still feel my opinion is correct.
You are all invited to KJB’s and my wedding. It will take place at the Star Trek Experience in Vegas.
I certainly do not feel qualified to comment as the rest of ya’ll have. Being a stay at home mother of two little girls keeps be very busy and I really pay little to no attention to the news, local or otherwise.
In my very simplistic view, I will say this. Several things about 9/11 annoyed me. First and foremost was the attack itself. I was enrolling my daughter in speech therapy when it happened and I cried all the way home. Then I turned of Nickelodeon and my husband and I watched and cried together. I hurt for the families and as the media announced the names of other cities that were on alert, I ran to the phone and called my own family making sure everyone was safe.
The question of why came up then and I listened and watched more CNN and MSNBC than ever in my life.
And the opinion that sickened me the most was Jerry Falwell who said the attacks were the result of God’s anger over the immoral state of our nation, particulary with respect to homosexuals. This offended because
1. I am a born again christian who loves her gay brother very much. I am very close with him and his lover and I certainly would not lay the blame at his doorstep or at the homosexual communitys’ doorstep.
2. As a Christian, I was sickened that maybe, just maybe, my fellow americans might think that the christian community might hold to this viewpoint as well, which could not be further from the truth.
Anyway, Wil, it took a lot to publish this and it’s taken alot for the rest of ya’ll to voice your opinions. As for my humble opinion, I still do not feel educated enough to comment save for this:
My uncles all fought in Vietnam, my father is a WW2 survivor, my cousin is a Marine as is my brother-in-law and my husband served in the Navy. I believe in my country and I love my American freedom and my flag. I have a high respect for the price that was paid for me to have those. During this time, I am committed to praying for my country and its leaders and when opportunity serves, to vote as my consience would dictate.
God bless us all.
Vikki
I don’t have the will power to read through all the posted messages. Wil, I don’t know if you are against what that site said or for it. But I got a few messages down and saw some guy say that all Islamites have it in their blood to kill all Americans. What those terrorists did was send a message to the United States. Maybe it wasn’t by the best means possible but these people are desperate! Someone else posted that Americans get to enjoy their posh life because of the great force they are…YES WHILE THE REST OF THE WORLD IS SUFFERING IN OPPRESSION. It reminds me of before the revolution in france where the rich were eating crumpets and looking out into the streets where the poor were hungry and angry. The rich didn’t even care until the paupers who had been neglected and taken advantage of finally stormed the castles and made their presence known. LOOK AT THE METAPHOR PEOPLE. Also the poor people in the street had caracter and the rich fucks didn’t. I see the US as arrogant, self centered, they don’t have self control (Of course i am making generalisations). PEACE KEEPING…BAH…OIL PRESERVING!! Sorry I am going out on a rant here that should not even be broached. But I will say this……maybe this is the world’s way of revolting against the US. And instead of worsening the problem (as most Americans seem to be doing with their vengeant…kill kill killl….we hate them mentality) they should listen up, broaden their perspectives, open their minds and realise there are more people in this world then just Americans and those people have brains too, families too, feelings too. Going out on a patriotic binge is not going to help the situation believe you me. Nobody wants anything worse to happen to America and believe you me…America thinks it is invinsible and so well guarded….but believe you, me, if there is a will there is a way.
Patriotism…. “The Alien Registration Act passed by Congress on 29th June, 1940, made it illegal for anyone in the United States to advocate, abet, or teach the desirability of overthrowing the government. The law also required all alien residents in the United States over 14 years of age to file a comprehensive statement of their personal and occupational status and a record of their political beliefs. Within four months a total of 4,741,971 aliens had been registered. ”
we have moved back, not forward….
To the guy with the “conspericy theory” Um I aint a fan of Bush neither but making him some sort of dictator is just plain ridiculous, even if a few minorities lost their votes.
However replying to Fallulah’S last comment I do concurr. We as American’s nievely our arrogant my worst fear is our arrogance will be our undoing as it may come here among these complexity of events that is blowing out of preportion.
(Apologies I can’t spell)
Well, on one of my first times here, I find this… I copied the link and wrote about it on my own journal, and I’m expecting the same amount of contraversy. We’ll see…
If nothing else, thanks for posting it. It was worthwhile reading.
WE
Vicki, your statement has to be one of the best posted so far. I occasionally let my sense of importance get to me, all the pride I feel for doing a good job a work and suddenly think I have all the answers. Your post made me wake up.
The point I’m trying to make is that we don’t have all the facts, we don’t have all the answers. No one knows exactly what is going on in the Middle East or Washington D.C. or even next door. To make bold statements and harsh accusations is foolish.
Have you ever felt kinda strange when, during a presidential election, they ask Calhoun Stubbs from the backwoods, who knows nothing about the election, to give his opinion on the candidate’s foreign policy? Now Mr. Stubbs may be a very smart individual, but if he starts giving a strong opinion on the matter based on rumor and hearsay, who wins?
I just wish we could start giving everyone a fair chance to speak and that people would realize that no matter how smart they think they are or how clever they feel, they really don’t know half of anything. I know that I sure don’t.
Thanks so much Vicki for reminding me.
rghermes:
That group of people was made up of people who also have to work. Perhaps, now, they don’t have to work as hard as some, as they have reached places where they can live within their means. But a goodly portion of them were college professors and writers who do not simply rest on their laurels, but must be active in order to stay afloat.
Granted, that isn’t exactly the hard work you were looking for, but honestly, do you only listen to people who work in low-paying jobs and worry whether their money will go to the next payday?
If so, then please don’t listen to the media, or experts, or the president.
Dale S.:
I’d have to concur with you on the same-opinion sentiment, however it differs from yours.
Will the wedding be in costume? and will there be a Spudnuts threesome involved?
i am on both sides of this argument. we don’t have the right to ruthlessly attack other nations when we are unprovoked. BUT, if we get attacked i feel we have the right to retaliate. And its not like we didn’t give afghanistan the chance to turn over bin laden.
i say let the politicians do what we elected them to do. And don’t bitch about this country unless you are willing to live without all the freedoms we are given. I’ve been there and it sucks.
One other thing, i have a question, where was everyones patriotism before 9/11??? It makes me sick to see the same people who on 9/10 would have told you how much our country sucks and all this other shit. now they are the ones proudly waving there flags and now talking about hoqw they love our country. you know who you are and you people make me sick.
“Will the wedding be in costume? and will there be a Spudnuts threesome involved?”
That is all up to you my dear. My only request is that I am not dressed as Ensign Crusher. I wouldn’t mind getting married as a klingon and you as my sexy violent mate. Awwww YEAH. Instead of flowers you can throw targ entrails into the wedding party.
I have said too much.
“Curious to think the most controversial election allowed a man to become illigitamtely apointed president”
He won fairly. The Miami Herald (liberal newspaper) did a recount of all the votes and bush really did win.
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Dale,
The Miami Herald did a recount. But a group of several other news-sources conducted a separate recount statewide.
After all the recounts were done from all the counties, two ironic end results were discovered.
If the solution Gore was fighting for at the end — A recount of selected counties — had been done, Gore would have still lost.
However, if the solution Bush argued was the only fair method (and there was obviously no time for) — a recount of all counties — Gore would have won.
I can find you a link to this if you wish.
“If the solution Gore was fighting for at the end — A recount of selected counties — had been done, Gore would have still lost.”
Must suck to be a democrat then. No need for a link. It’s funny, peopel can almost always find information to support their views and beliefs. I long for the days of unsupported bullshit. Sigh.
The older I get, the more I wonder where it all went wrong. Maybe I’m an optimist, but I can’t help believe that the majority of people all over the world just want to eat well, live well, and die peacefully in their sleep. I’m thinking we should all just leave and let the fanatics squabble over the tattered remnants of this poor planet. I know history would eventually repeat itself, but maybe it would take a generation or so, and meanwhile I could get a good night’s sleep for a change.
Thank you Wil for posting this — whether you think it’s leftist nonsense or the best thing you’ve heard all week, at least you’re thinking.
Must suck to be a Republican, too. You’re stuck with a singing Attorney General.
Honey, with regards to the reception – I was thinking a live band. I haven’t had one of those in a while.
Do you think Wil would do some sketch comedy for it?
“Honey, with regards to the reception – I was thinking a live band. I haven’t had one of those in a while.”
Sure that’s a great idea. Heavy metal or country?
“Do you think Wil would do some sketch comedy for it?”
Hell I want him to be the one that marries us. Then at the reception he can do his comedy thang.
We’ll honeymoon in Iraq, my love.
Aargh! I’m afraid I have to react.
Fact: America is not at war. War must be declared by Congress. More importantly, calling this a war legitimizes the terrorist actions. If this is a war, then they are soldiers, not terrorists. If this had been a war, then the 9-11 assaults would have been war *crimes*. Again, these terrorists are *criminals*, not soldiers. As much as I am against war in general, I think being a soldier is a respectable profession.
By the way, by denying the detainees in Cuba Geneva Convention rights, the US implicitly acknowledges that this is *not* a war.
Then, whoever planned these attacks must be brought to justice, no doubt about it (it’s crimes, remember?). But, one thing the US should *not* have done was oppress the American people in the name of the ‘war’ on terrorism. “You’re either with us or against us”, “these limitations of liberties are necessary to defend ourselves”, all of that has been said before by oppressive regimes (Nazi Germany, USSR, Communist China, take your pick, there’s dozens more). I don’t want to get into military actions abroad, but limiting free speech in the name of patriotism is not the way to defend freedom, and plays into the hands of the terrorists.
The US is on a very slippery slope, and there is a real danger that if this goes a bit further, history will compare the early 21st century with the McCarthy era.
I’m an immigrant, and I’ve never even gotten a traffic ticket, but I understand that under the Patriot Act I can be detained for 7 days for no reason other than being a foreigner. Fortunately, the Bush administration doesn’t even seem to care about these restrictions, and is holding hundreds of people secretly and indefinitely, foreigners and Americans alike. Did you get that last part? There are Americans being held indefinitely and secretly, no right to counsel or anything! The justification is that the president says that they are ‘bad guys’.
The people signing the letter in the Guardian are not saying the US should do nothing in response to 9-11, they are defending freedom.
Oh, and by the way, for those complaining about that bleeding-heart left-wing liberal Guardian, did you not get the part that they did not *write* it? They’re just publishing it, it is signed by Americans. The fact that it took a British newspaper to publish it proves their point. Complaining about the Guardian is complaining about freedom of press and freedom of speech.
I think that “with us or against us” is one of the worst catchphrases ever conceived. It suits Klingons or T-shirt manufacturers, it definitely does not belong to life in real world.
anonymous:
You just said, very eloquently, what I tried to explain to someone else above earlier. Thank you, and I hope you don’t get nailed for being from another country. That would suck more than Carrot Top singing.
As for you, Dale my sweet:
If it’s between metal and country, I’m going with metal. Country would only make me want to break out the machetes.
If the honeymoon’s in Iraq, can we visit a few sites? I’ve got some things I want to see, and I’ve got a hunch or two about a few sites, esp. near Uruk (now Warka).
Assuming they didn’t get bombed to all hell in the early 90s.
It is interesting the persons writing this declaration say they support those ‘suffering’ from the policies of Bush. To whom are they refering Al Queda, bin Laden, other terrorists, homicide bombers? They do seem to stand with the terrorists! If they feel that these people are more morally upright and fair than the FREE WORLD, let them live amongst them, for one year and see how many survive. These people would have supported Hitler, by standing aside and allowing him to kill MILLIONS of innocent, all the while chastizing Churchill or Roosevelt, as being ‘war mongers’. The terrorists are fascists, look it up, the US is not. We listen and try to understand. I’m done thinking that these animals need to be coddled.
How many more Americans, or other freedom loving peoples must be murdered/executed by these barbarians. Are the people on this list brave-or-stupid enough to be first in line to die with another attack? I think not! There is not that much justice in the world.
IT IS US OR THEM PEOPLE. GIVE ME WORLDWIDE LIBERTY FROM TERRORISM, OR GIVE ME DEATH.
Wil, I remember how you were slobbering all over Asner on the Arsenio Hall Show, following him around backstage. Give him a bj, grow a brain and get over it!
LONG LIVE NYC! GOD BLESS BUSH!
“If the honeymoon’s in Iraq, can we visit a few sites? I’ve got some things I want to see, and I’ve got a hunch or two about a few sites, esp. near Uruk (now Warka).
Assuming they didn’t get bombed to all hell in the early 90s.”
We will go anywhere you like, my queen. I want to see the bunker where saddam keeps his backup harem and hidden vats of nerve gas. If anyone asks, we are weapons inspectors, not infidels. And with that I must sleep. I will dream of you and me on a holodeck doing naughty things. Gnight.
NYC:
“Fascist” isn’t a term I would use here, unless we’re talking about Hitler or Pat Robertson.
Please, try to think before you post something like that. It only makes you look silly.
Sweetest Dale:
I look forward to our Adventures on the honeymoon. May your dreams be as risque as mine.
I’m glad you posted this, or I never would have found it.
I have taken a lot of flack from my friends for opposing the war since day one. For ranting about our treatment of the “detainees” in Guantanamo Bay. For telling my friends that even terrorists are God’s children.
I’m not anti-American, I’m pro-people.
To stay on topic: I’m glad that some entertainers and professionals got together to sign this. Like it or not, they have more clout than the average person. (That’s why we’re all commenting on wilwheaton.net instead of on my site, not that I have one.) The truth is, terrorism will never be stopped, and lives are going to be lost in the process of trying to.
Terrorism is “the systematic use of violence as a means to intimidate or coerce societies or governments.” Not that cluster bombs could fit into that category, not at all. Want a hero, look at Jason Schechterle, look at anyone, but don’t look at your own government, who is killing children and women and men in another country, and hiding it.
President Bush asked the media not to cover the war, not to show pictures. “Because we don’t want another Vietnam.” We don’t want intelligent people questioning the government’s actions and possibly sparking a social revolution that could fix some of the problems in this country.
Don’t you think we need to question, maybe the war’s not a good thing? If there’s no possible benefit, if we’re just chasing rabbits? Maybe we need to stop and save some lives.